Why I think global warming is bull...

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Re: Why I think global warming is bull...

« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 04:16:42 pm »

Quote from: Super Dave on February 01, 2007, 03:13:13 pm

E85 only has 80k BTU's. Gasoline has 124k. Hard to find gasoline as it is since the EPA has mandated blends spiked with oxygenates that dilute the BTU's. More BTU's, more ability to do work. Need to do more work with so many BTU's? You've got to add more product.

Car Craft Magazine, Nov or Dec issue. You'll use more fuel, but you can use it to get more ponies.

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Re: Why I think global warming is bull...

« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 05:09:10 pm »

So there you go. Global warming is indeed just another theory and there are alternative theories that have completely different implications. Each theory uses a different set of data measuring different things to support the underlying hypothesis.

I have noticed that if you question the data that supports global warming to its proponents it is almost like you have kicked their lovable pet dog. The supporters like to call their theory a fact and if you question any of their data you get personally attacked. If you present data that shows anything counter to the crisis theorists your credibility is called into question and it it automatically assumed that you are at the behest of big oil.

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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 05:50:38 pm »

Hmmm...politics+cars+gas+E85=a mess

Politics; Our GM factory management removed the U.S. flags from the production floor over Christmas shutdown. Why?, I asked. The answer, "We're streamling the production area and getting rid of the clutter. If an item did not have GM content it was non-conforming."

I'm still in shock 3 weeks later. Even more shocking is the general rank and file is taking it laying down.

Oh yeah, some of the Tahoe/Suburbans we build are E85.

The Globe is not warming it's just hot IN here.

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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2007, 06:26:21 pm »

Quote from: 61Ex on February 01, 2007, 05:50:38 pm

Politics; Our GM factory management removed the U.S. flags from the production floor over Christmas shutdown. Why?, I asked. The answer, "We're streamling the production area and getting rid of the clutter. If an item did not have GM content it was non-conforming."

Todd, ya should call into the Gazettes shout thing in the editorial about that. No names are printed like the letters to the editor.

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Re: Why I think global warming is bull...

« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2007, 06:48:45 pm »

first off E85 is a waste of time, until they figure out how to use the stalks than it is less efficiant as far as cost and oil consumption goes.

and for the global warming, its kind of hard to ignore the facts, within the same year we had record high 6 month averages in northern Africa, as well as record smashing 6 month low average temperatures in russia, south especially. I see where you are coming from on the air temperature issue Dave, but some of the most compelling evidence I have seen has been readings of both large bodies of water as well as small bodies and large rivers.

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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2007, 07:08:28 pm »

OK then,

As dave stated Alchol has much less energy than gasoline. In an engine designed to operate purely on alchol you can develop significant horsepower but none of the E85 caars are designed that way. Ther is much more to it than a little chippin.

Next, although E85 is not going to give you as many ponies in your new car it is far from a waste. Yes you do use more of it, and yes it costs more to operate the same number of miles. That is not the issue, it burns cleaner thus reducing emissions and it is renewable and does not come from the middle east. It is for this reason that I actually support the idea of increasing the taxes on gasoline. Until you can save money doing it most Americans will refuse to do the responsible thing when it comes to renewable resources and cleaning up.

As far as global warming, yes it is real, did man cause it? NO! If man was the cause of global warming then we have been roaming the planet since the last ice age. Think about someting, if we were'nt there to end the last ice age what did end it? Global warming, and we had NOTHING to do with it! Are we accelerating global warming? Probably, but IF you could get every one in every country to reduce their quality of life to the stone age you still could not stop global warming. The only thing that is going to stop global warming is when the planet reaches a critical temperature and the ice caps melt to a certain point and a certain ammount of land is under water and a number of other certain specification that scientists haven't got a clue about are reached the the planet will enter a Global Cooling phase and we will enter another ice age. How many of you doom sayers that feel me MUST STOP mans contribution to global warming have car? A furnace in your house? Use a lawn mower (gas powered)? Take warm showers? Use lights in your house? Any car made since the mid 80's creates 10 to 100 times less emissions than pre 1980's cars. That information alone says that we did MOST of the damage 30 years ago.

Think about what you are really willing to give up and do the math on what you will be doing to help and what you will still be doing to hurt and see where you really are.

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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2007, 08:07:53 pm »

Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on February 01, 2007, 06:26:21 pm

Todd, ya should call into the Gazettes shout thing in the editorial about that. No names are printed like the letters to the editor.

I'll take it to the Union mtg next weekend. The Vets Committe can hand management their asses. Career suicide I tell ya, but I felt the same way about E85. In '09 we'll get the 4 ltr "clean diesels" for the Tahoe/'burban line. Day late and a dollar short...

No matter whose science or politicians say what, with who's money, the icecaps are melting fast. That's an undeniable unmuddied fact of life today. Is it from warming? Well, how else does ice melt fer christ's sake!!

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Re: Why I think global warming is bull...

« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2007, 09:14:52 pm »

Quote from: Hawk on February 01, 2007, 07:08:28 pm

....Any car made since the mid 80's creates 10 to 100 times less emissions than pre 1980's cars. That information alone says that we did MOST of the damage 30 years ago.

Not sure if you know why unleaded fuel was 1st implemented? In the late 60's there was great concern as to why lead was getting into childrens bodies, so the Governmet set out to find the culprit. What the 'EXPERTS' at that time came up with was that the lead in fuel was the cause, so they started researching alternatives to leaded fuel and once found implemented federal laws requiring new vehicles to phase in unleaded fuel based vehicles in the 70's. Along with all this change came a massive change in the refining process to make unleaded fuel, this was also required by the government and fuel companies had to comply in order to sell fuel in this country.

Then as the auto and fuel industries had already done all their research and development work and started manufacturing the new unleaded fuel and vehicles there was a new finding that said that the lead getting into childrens blood wasn't from fuel, it was from the lead in house paint! The automotive and fuel industries were pissed no less, but said they were going forward with unleaded due to the massive amount of money they had already invested. Now most people have seen the black exhaust emitting from older vehicles, and the lack of it from newer vehicles, so they automatically ASSUME that the 'CLEANER' exhaust is better and that there has been so much improvement. What has been kept quiet is that the black exhaust coming from the older vehicles is very carbon based and it's something that the Earths atmosphere and eco-system can break down easier, even if it causes more visible smog. The invisible exhaust being emitted from the newer vehicles that so many Global Warming advocates drive is actually far more deadly. Why? Because a main byproduct of a Catalytic Converter used on Unleaded vehicles is Nitrous Oxide, a gas that has been determined to be one of the most ozone destroying gases there is! OOOPS!!!!!!! When the Government, fuel companies, and auto manufacturers found out about this they tried as hard as possible to keep that information as quiet as possible and start researching alternatives to slow down the damage they have been doing to the Ozone Layer over the last 30 years!

It's true that visible smog in many portions of the country has been reduced from what it was prior to Unleaded fuel, but that's not an accurate way to judge air quality because all that invisible Nitrous Oxide the so-called 'CLEANER BURNING' cars are pumping into the air is far worse as far as Ozone depletion goes. Just thought you might want to know.

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