Super Sport Question

[apriliaman]

Thats why I play nitro cars now,electric is about who has the best batterys and taking apart the motors every run and dynoing it also.With nitro i just put gas and go.

[JBraun]

Suzuki World Cup was what you were refering to...not US Suzuki Cup.

As for all the things you list, there are fast guys like Larry Denning, who up until this year made a living racing for contingency money, didn't use some the things that you listed. 

Yeah, shocks are pretty necessary.  There is just more one can do with an aftermarket unit.  Stock units are getting better.  Fork internals.  I don't see that the full replacement cartridges are necessary.  I won races with stock internals with springs only.  Yes, we did improve the dampening quality by changing internals.

Pissed motors...see the thread about lap times an HP.  Give a 600 about 40 more HP and you'll have the power of a 1000...and, if you're an unbelieveable rider, you might go only a little faster...might.

Yes, Suzuki world cup is what I'm referring to.
Denning's bikes are stupid fast. He's a far better rider on his worst day than I am on my best, but let's not pretend he's on stock shit, and neither are you for that matter.

I'm sure there are riders who could go out and win expert races today on a stock bike with just a shock on it, but I'm not one of them. That's why I'll take every advantage I can afford.

[Super Dave]

Yes, Suzuki world cup is what I'm referring to.
Denning's bikes are stupid fast. He's a far better rider on his worst day than I am on my best, but let's not pretend he's on stock shit, and neither are you for that matter.

No, mine isn't stock.

Last year, most of my riding was on my '03 R6.

At the ASRA round at HPT, I was making 91.7 HP.  Far off of stock.  Other bikes wer making 102 to 105 HP. 

I have never had my aftermarket Hyperpro shock serviced.  It's been on the bike since April of 2003.  My forks were stock except for Hyperpro springs through most of the year.  4&6 installed valving late that year.  I put different fork oil in the forks  in 2005. 

No quick shifter.  No Power Commander.  (I've found the Techlusion unit works better...and is cheaper.) 

Similarly, Larry didn't service his shock all the time either.  Often, he measured it in years as he'd just move a shock from one bike to another.

I'm sure there are riders who could go out and win expert races today on a stock bike with just a shock on it, but I'm not one of them. That's why I'll take every advantage I can afford.

Only if it is an advantage.  I never could afford "advantages".  I'm not a naturally gifted rider either.  But I've been around long enough to recognize some patterns that help me.  Don't ride as hard as I used to either.  I'm tired, but I like having fun.  Motorcycle Road Racing is fun, and I now focus a lot of effort on some of the riders I get to work with, if they are willing to work with me.

[JBraun]

Actually it's not an advantage at all. It just makes it a fair fight.

A lot of it is psychological too. I'm building the best bike I can afford so I don't have any excuses. If I show up on a bike I know can win, it's all up to me.

You're right, a wicked motor may not actually improve your lap times. but it makes you a hell of a lot harder to pass.  

When you've been doing this as long as I have you'll understand.  

[Scotty Ryan]

No, mine isn't stock.

Last year, most of my riding was on my '03 R6.

At the ASRA round at HPT, I was making 91.7 HP.  Far off of stock.  Other bikes wer making 102 to 105 HP. 

I have never had my aftermarket Hyperpro shock serviced.  It's been on the bike since April of 2003.  My forks were stock except for Hyperpro springs through most of the year.  4&6 installed valving late that year.  I put different fork oil in the forks  in 2005. 

No quick shifter.  No Power Commander.  (I've found the Techlusion unit works better...and is cheaper.) 

Similarly, Larry didn't service his shock all the time either.  Often, he measured it in years as he'd just move a shock from one bike to another.

Only if it is an advantage.  I never could afford "advantages".  I'm not a naturally gifted rider either.  But I've been around long enough to recognize some patterns that help me.  Don't ride as hard as I used to either.  I'm tired, but I like having fun.  Motorcycle Road Racing is fun, and I now focus a lot of effort on some of the riders I get to work with, if they are willing to work with me.

I can attest to all of this.... For lord sake Dave changes his oil in his bikes once a year because he thinks that the clutch grabs too much with new oil......

[Super Dave]

 

Oh, no, I'm doing it more often now that I recycle my oil in the bus' diesel fuel tank.

[lil_thorny]

Just run the shit you brung and if it won't turn then pull in and look at your tire wear. If your tires look good then go faster and run it in a little deeper. Continue this process until the front end starts to chatter and or slide. If your rebound is maxed, try backing out of the pre-load. Not until you ride smooth will suspension give you the feedback that you desire.  I began racing with a bunch of stock crap and listened to Super Dave. He watched me, told me what to do better, then when I could go no faster without chatter I called Traxxion. I knocked 7 tenths of a second off of my laptimes by valving (renewed confidence). Not 2-3 seconds mind you but less than a second but not until I figured most everything else out first. WARNING: Do not spend a bunch of money on your bike until you learn how to ride it. Buy good tire warmers before anything else.

8)

[Super Dave]

You go and get married and now you're lurkin' on racin' boards...

[lil_thorny]

Well...

I had to spend my money on something other than racing for a bit. Guess what I am spending all my money on once again???

Wifey bought me a new Trumpet...oh yes she did!  Not the kind Dave sticks up his ars either

[Super Dave]

Three cylinders...

[lil_thorny]

You damn skippy

[Spooner]

Dave-you gonna race 'ol yeller again this year? 

I agree with a lot of people here-I see guys with TONS of crap on their bikes that is totally useless in going fast.  A lot of times those same guys complain about not having any money...hmmm...

My current bike does have a bit of 'bling', but I bought it in its current state, plus it sits in a showroom and all the street guys like to see cool parts lol!  As an amateur I rode a total pig GSXR and did pretty good-I valved the front end myself, I'm sure that worked greaattt..lol!