Riding Skills Questions

[benprobst]

Appearances can sometimes be deceiving. I always trail brake. When teaching others I always stress the importance of trail braking.

The trick to using this technique is not to get in so deep as to hurt the drive off the turn.
Ed Key

see Ed you are just to damn smooth for your own good. causing other people to think you arent trailbraking shame shame. I thought it was really strange when braun said that, i thought there was no way in hell you could be going that fast on a lightweight bike without trailbraking, anyway where's Farrel at? it about time for him to chime in with a page and a half post.

[tshort]

Interesting discussion.  In the Jan 07 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News there is a longish article on a similar topic - discussing the various approaches to late braking, braking deep, braking early, etc, in the context of street riding.  It was written by a former racer.  I'm still debating whether to post a letter to the editor about, as I thought it was unduly complicated, especially since the target audience for that mag is street riders.

Anyway, I was fortunate to get some instruction from Mr Key on trailbraking, specifically related to the transition, from brakes to gas.  Trick is to roll on the throttle while letting off the brake (I was a front braking trail braker).  This is fairly simple conceptually, but was something that was not obvious to me.  I now use it consistently, even on my Harley.

[catman]

WOW this has been a warm and very informative winter so far,thanks tshort for that one-i'm thinking there is some real advantage in lap time there! will raising idle smooth that out and make it easier?and is there a throttle assy that is more accurate less bulky than the stock SV 1st GEN w/flatsides that i could look into /others would attest to?- i am looking at that area now and got  a 19x20 brembo MC for that part of this brake/throttle roll on (simultaneously)  technique.(sp)  Anyone ? John in NJ

[benprobst]

WOW this has been a warm and very informative winter so far,thanks tshort for that one-i'm thinking there is some real advantage in lap time there! will raising idle smooth that out and make it easier?and is there a throttle assy that is more accurate less bulky than the stock SV 1st GEN w/flatsides that i could look into /others would attest to?- i am looking at that area now and got  a 19x20 brembo MC for that part of this brake/throttle roll on (simultaneously)  technique.(sp)  Anyone ? John in NJ

Hey where is my thanks John, I said to roll the throttle on as you release the brakes like a page ago, I see how it is, hahaha. anyway, are you having problems getting the set up perfect on you flatslides? it took me forever to get them perfect, but once I did it was worth the hours of work. There also is the option of running them without the throttle return cable, which will make for much smoother and easier application of the throttle, but will also present you with a better chance for the throttle sticking open, especially in extreme cases such as crashing. ohh yeah and Ill send you some pics of my superbike later today.

[catman]

HEY yea Ben sorry-you all are overwhelming us noobers w great stuff- i know i am not alone in appreciation- my flatsides are hooked up well- Vally Racing and K3 saw to that- i am looking to buy a better than stock throttle assy that is more compact, with a smaller narrower collar to wrap my thumb over without hittin the stock kill switch,so i can hold throttle position easily while feedin in/out  the brake- i found smothing that may satisfy this ,need to look into it soon- all this while i have Doctors with 2 many opinions about my shoulder problem/possible upcoming surgery- a second opinion was a dangerous thing to extract-each time i go for another opinion, i get another opinion- like a merry go roung ride and now i am looking into the spring befor full recovery- its not stopping me from learning,and purchasing yet!Thanks - your explanations have been helpful,even if i'm too perced to pinpoint the source-

[benprobst]

ha im just kidding with ya man, im sure a million people have said it before me anyway. John, what your tentative plan for racing this year?

[Court Jester]

so why's this thread died?
i got some good info out of it.
keep learning me some stuff guys/gals

[benprobst]

The most important corner on any race track is the one before the longest straightaway - KR senior.

[catman]

Sorry to get back late - ben, just hoping to get 3-5 weekends in at summit,point this season ,I  put alot into sv--6K this winter while out of work 6 mos i'm back off to work finally next week with a  still slightly dinged /getting better/shoulder -Having speedworks put on the ohlins/marvics,brembos ,was planning on a trip out to K3's and sportbike Italia because I want the slicks geo change to go right,but the situation demands a closer proximity and follow up if needed locally(3.5 hrs 0 to speedworks) 14hrs. to Chicago easily enough. Anyway at 51,and finally having a great bike(thanks K3) after hit and miss start a couple years , i intend to race as long as possible with all the help here i intend to do it as well as a partimer can. send those pics when u have time -  i cannot find them here in  this buncha folders and do want to see them-Thanks, John

[J Farrell / Speed Tech Motorsp]

Give me a few days or a week. I'll post more. Just really freakin busy lately trying to catch up before the spring rush flys in!

[Court Jester]

just didn't want it to die.
talk about set up, passing, body/form. whatever. as long as i keep leaning as much as i've learned in the past few pages i'm happy.

[catman]

Alot to absorb,I'm lovin it too!Where else could you find this stuff? Now if there was just some sort of a site for mechanical/ setup taught by someone who articulates well and could make it  (easy to understand) somewhat more for the noobs (always gonna be one i think)- That would surely step up the learning curve like the above info has (thanks jason,ben,tz, tshort et al...for us here. Someone not just with a lifetime of trackside experience but one with the ability to understand the hurdles of folks' either just getting started ,or without real 9bottom line)sources of this info- up to those who just wanna understand it well.