What would YOU do?

[251am]

Yeah, poor Dave.  I know just how he feels.  In 2002, my team picked up sponsorship from an outfit called Oz Cycle Salvage.  The guy didn't deliver on what he'd promised us, and the people I'd sent to him all reported getting screwed.  Next, I started hearing from VERY trustworthy sources that the guy was out there badmouthing my teammate and I!  Needless to say we broke ties with that company fast, and I about had to sit on my teammate to keep him from driving out to Kansas with a baseball bat....  I STILL hope we never run into that jerk again.
I'm sure that the companies who have given me support would tell anyone that I am VERY serious about bringing them business.  I go out of my way to put my sponsor's cards in the hands of people who really need their services, and I stamp the back of each card to remind the recipient that I'm the guy who sent them.  My own reputation is on the line when I recommend a shop to another racer, so I've learned to be choosy about who's help I will accept.
From what I've seen, Rosno is equally serious about working for his sponsors.  Cases in point, Rosno has probably been personally responsable for the sale of a hundred Vanson suits, and countless Suomy helmets.  (Suomy helmets have saved my life on numerous occasions, and I started using them because of Dave, so I guess you could say that in a roundabout way, Dave saved my....  Nah, I won't go there. )
So what damage does a racer incur when one of his sponsors starts screwing the very customers who that racer sends to them?  It's a slippery slope.  Hopefully Dave can get clear of this situation without much personal fallout toward himself or Visionsport.  My personal dealings with Rosno have shown him to be an honest guy, and I just can't see Dave intentionally setting any racer up for a screwing.

  I respect your perspective, however the screwing has been going on for a long time, and LOTS of people

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Well, I know what I'd do (did) in this situation.  We'll see how Dave handles it.



Doh!  Why did I hit that icon?  Bad K3!  Bad!

[Jeff]

Okay guys.  Here's the deal.

First off, K3, if you want to physically threaten people, you need to be cognizant of legal ramifications.  I would strongly discourage you from doing it.  If you do it again, I will remove your posts.

Second, the shop is 4&6 as mentioned.  If you have a question or comment on them or their service, I would recommend you contact the shop owner Jim Raschid (sp?) for PERSONAL clarification.

Posting the flame fest here will not get you your money back.  It won't get your forks fixed.  It won't fix shoddy service.  It will just give you a place to get it out...

We've all had good service at places and bad service at places.  Even the best of places have provided bad service.

1st amendment rights for freedom of speach are encouraged here.  If you want to say you had a bad experience at X-Y-Z shop, so be it.  If a business wants to have their lawyer contact mine over it, feel free to PM me or look up my info in any whois database.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

First off, K3, if you want to physically threaten people, you need to be cognizant of legal ramifications.  I would strongly discourage you from doing it.  If you do it again, I will remove your posts.

Now Jeff, I believe that I merely speculated as to what my reaction MIGHT be were I the wronged party.  I am NOT the wronged party, and hence have no reason to, nor did I, threaten anyone.  That would fall under the free speech thing, but I get your message.
Notice in my post about Oz I mentioned that I was the one discouraging my teammate's considered response.  I think you and I both know me better than that.  Violence doesn't solve anything, even though it might provide temporary relief of angst....
So yeah, I hear what you're saying, but I don't see where I threatened or even implied a threat towards anyone.  Censor away if you see it differently.  No, wait.  Never mind, Mongo.  I did it for you.

[Jeff]

(a) don't call me Mongo you furry bastard.
(b) thanks for understanding my point.  I understand yours.

[spyderchick]

(a) don't call me Mongo you furry bastard.

[251am]

(a) don't call me Mongo you furry bastard.

Now that you mention it he is PRETTY furry.

[spyderchick]

Now that you mention it he is PRETTY furry.

K3 might have more fur, but I think Ed Key has denser, finer quality fur. 

I'll try the Key fur jacket, please. Eeeeewwwwwwww!

[Mongo]

Now wait a second here!  I may be an asshole to stupid people but I don't censor anyone!  :D

[spyderchick]

Now wait a second here!  I may be an asshole to stupid people but I don't censor anyone!  :D

Which is why we love you so. (In a hatin' kind of way) 

[2fast]

Now wait a second here!  I'm asshole to anyone who does not agree with me

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

(a) don't call me Mongo you furry bastard.

You keep talkin' like that, boy, fur's gonna FLY!

Oh, wait....  Damn!  Could that be construed as a threat?    Will it be seen as a humorous play on words, or will the thought police arrive at my door?  Gee wiz!  I'm so confused!  This new CCS forum is tricky.  I can swear like a mufuggin truck driver now, but can't express my inner feelings!  What a cunundrum!  Man, I've just got this bad feeling I'm gonna get censored and banned....