Pit Bikes at Blackhawk Farms

[motobenco]

Anyone notice Dave's original post was from 4/1/06. Seriously if this goes through I can see several tracks following the lead. $50 at a single track is one thing, just imagine if every track decided to do this. I believe this needs to be addressed now before it gets out of hand.  First the tracks will charge, then the organizations and then...who knows.

[mike_rbm]

I agree with all of you, it's a stupid rule so they don't have to really enforce anything.

OK, I pay my $50, now I can go act as stupid as I want on my pit bike of choice? Are there any pit bike rules beyond the fee?

It sounds like a bullshit deal to me and yes, I will contact BLackhawk on this as should everyone else. Don't jump on their ass but ask them exactly what the rules are and what the fee is going to accomplish?

Well said Gordie.

[STT-GUY]

It sounds like a bullshit deal to me and yes, I will contact BLackhawk on this as should everyone else. Don't jump on their ass but ask them exactly what the rules are and what the fee is going to accomplish?

Chastize them for NOT enforcing the rules they had and then making up new ones that (wrongly) assume that money and responsability are connected and seem (wronly I'm sure) profit, not safety driven.

If I was BHF and got bombed with the customers of my biggest single customer saying "axe this rule or we don't come to play" I'd blow the bugle and retreat and come up with a much more common sense policy...... but one with teeth.

I'd make every pit bike display a sticker given AFTER the owner read and agreed to SOP's covering pit bikes and thier use at BHF. I would have a one strike and yo're out policy which included impounding and not returning the bike until 4:00 Sunday.

I'd collect a token $10 fee to cover hard costs, the balance of which I would donate to the Wegman Fund.

[Super Dave]

Monte, you might be able to shed light on all of it...

Insurance.  If you ran crappy events that had injuries, you'd probably see an increase in your rates.  



It is to a point where the pit bike thing has gotten out of hand.  More kids at the track, more pit bikes, etc.  My gate fee is more than the $10 a weekend that my pit bike, which I have seldom ever had the luxury of owning, isn't bad.  The track doesn't charge for camping.  Road America does.  Other tracks do.  Some tracks can't even allow any camping.

Personally, I don't think that it's unreasonable to charge some kind of fee.  If it reduces the number of pit bikes that are currently in the paddock, I don't see it necessarily as a bad thing.  If it reduces the traffic and hooliganism, I'd be happy.

Your mileage may vary.

[extrakt0r]

Monte, you might be able to shed light on all of it...

Insurance.  If you ran crappy events that had injuries, you'd probably see an increase in your rates.  



It is to a point where the pit bike thing has gotten out of hand.  More kids at the track, more pit bikes, etc.  My gate fee is more than the $10 a weekend that my pit bike, which I have seldom ever had the luxury of owning, isn't bad.  The track doesn't charge for camping.  Road America does.  Other tracks do.  Some tracks can't even allow any camping.

Personally, I don't think that it's unreasonable to charge some kind of fee.  If it reduces the number of pit bikes that are currently in the paddock, I don't see it necessarily as a bad thing.  If it reduces the traffic and hooliganism, I'd be happy.

Your mileage may vary.

Charging for Camping is different than this...

This policy was put in place because of the poor actions of some Racers last year, not becuase of any other reason...

The simple fact of the matter is that if BHF wants to charge for Camping, they should...

The majority of people who use a pit bike use it for quick transportation around the track, and nothing else...Why should these people have to suffer?

What is so hard about kicking some butt when the time comes? I don't understand it...

Over and Over and Over again at the Riders meetings we hear "Don't cross the blend line" and over and over again idiots do it...Man up, and fine the shit out of these people...It is NO different...

Are the Orgs so afraid to slap some people around? Do they think masses of people will just up and quit if rules (which everyone knows about) are enforced?

I don't understand what the problem is...

I am sick and tired of having to put up with this kind of crap becuase a few idiots cause drama and MANAGEMENT doesn't have the backbone to do anything about it...

Chuck Norris wouldn't put up with this and we shouldn't have to either...  ;D

[jigmoore]

Well, I'll leave mine home before I pay them $50, which may be what they want.  But I think I'll also skip giving them concessions and any other discretionary purchases this year too just for the heck of it.  

This is the typical BS I have to put up with every day.
Instead of actually stepping up and doing something about those responsible they take the chicken way out and pass a BS rule that punishes everyone.  Apparently no one's accountable for their actions anymore.

Don't tell me they have the right. I know that, but it doesn't take any brains to do something like this.  
 

i'll jump on this bandwagon.  what a bunch of crap!  it's just a money making scheme.  it won't solve a thing.

i tell ya what will solve it.  fine anybody caught acting up on a pit bike $100.  can't pay...?  must leave now.

by-by.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

It is to a point where the pit bike thing has gotten out of hand.  More kids at the track, more pit bikes, etc.  

And to add to this...

Its not just last year, its been getting worse and worse every year. MOre than likely last year was teh straw that broke the perverbial camels back.

When you go pay the "fee" for the pitbikes, more than likely you will have to sign something which has the rules printed on the paper. I do agree that if the vehicle is street legal and has current registration, it shouldnt fall under that rule.

Ya know it could be worse. They could had just said no pitbikes period.

[r1owner]

When you go pay the "fee" for the pitbikes, more than likely you will have to sign something which has the rules printed on the paper.

So why does signing a piece of paper with "rules" on it require a $50 payment?  Just a way to make money...

Why not charge every person that enters the track an additional 50 bucks for a "don't do something stupid rule"...  make us all sign a piece of paper...

[JBraun]

I think that they should get everyone with pit bikes together at the first blackhawk, feed them like six cans of beer, and have a one lap pitbike heat race on the track, in the dark.

Top 20 qualify, and recieve a pit bike license. The remainder will have to walk...

It's the only logical solution.

[weggie_man]

Sent my comments and questions yesterday. No reply as of this writing. I'll keep you posted.

[cbr806]

Its not just last year, it's been getting worse and worse every year. More than likely last year was the straw that broke the preverbal camels back.

What are you guys talking about getting worse every year...  more & more kids...?  My kids used to ride pits bikes.  last year they could not.  How did it get worse?  If you want to tell me two people getting hurt on pit bikes in a year's time is some big deal you're wasting your time.  And a few guys riding their bikes on that track once in a year's time.  That's out of hand?  Statistically it's so far at the end of the bell curve that it doesn't even exist.

There is no pit bike problem.  There's an enforcement problem.  A fee is to squeeze more money out of overreached racers an, of course, will not stop people from falling down & getting hurt.  That's gravity.  Their trying to charge a fee to change the laws of probability & gravity.  Brilliant.  

[r1owner]

..will not stop people from falling down & getting hurt.  That's gravity.  Their trying to charge a fee to change the laws of probability & gravity.  Brilliant.  

Nice!  Are you also the dude who does the Guiness commericals? ;)