Pit Bikes at Blackhawk Farms

[extrakt0r]

Looking back on all this...

Most of us knew stuff was going on.  Most of us, however, weren't out there doing the stuff that was questionable and incorrect.  But by not saying anything to a CCS official or to BFR management, I think we allowed it to escalate. 

If the community doesn't take an active role in looking down upon an action among it's community, well, then we all end up paying in the end. 

SD...I am sorry but that is a total cop out and total BS...

Why should I (or anyone else) have to police my fellow racers? What are we going to do, put them under citizen's arrest? The plain and simple fact of the matter is that CCS Management and/or Blackhawk Farms Management did not have the backbone to punish these people like they should have...

Now, if these people would have been punished and then they still did this fee for pit bikes, we could all say they are just tring to price gouge us...

But the fact is they DID NOT punish these people, and ARE NOW charging a fee for pit bike use TELLS ME and EVERYONE else that this is NOTHING more than a COP OUT by management that doesn't have the backbone to smack some people around...

You know what pisses me off the most? MOST of the offenders are NOT EVEN RACING AT BLACKHAWK THIS YEAR!!!!! So they just really f'd it up for everyone, and can just sit back and laugh about it...I know who was out there, and I know the power that be know who was out there, and they still DID NOTHING...

I can tell you two things...

I will not be brining my pit bike to Blackhawk
And I will not be racing at Blackhawk the rest of the year...If I would not have pre-regd for backhawk before this became public, I wouldn't have even gone this weekend...Too bad, I really like the track...

Nothing pisses me off more than being punished for something I didn't do...

[Super Dave]

SD...I am sorry but that is a total cop out and total BS...

Why should I (or anyone else) have to police my fellow racers? What are we going to do, put them under citizen's arrest? The plain and simple fact of the matter is that CCS Management and/or Blackhawk Farms Management did not have the backbone to punish these people like they should have...

Nothing pisses me off more than being punished for something I didn't do...

No, I wouldn't expect to put them under citizens arrest.  But some shit has been going on for some time.  You can tell someone to slow down in the paddock when they are going to fast.  It happens, and racers that know better fall down in the pits. 

As for being punished for something you didn't do...

Yeah, I agree that this sucks.  But the track has not condoned this.  CCS hasn't.  But members of the organization, riders, didn't bother speakin' up to CCS officials or BFR management either.

As for being punished for something you didn't do...

Liability insurance is part of every track day entry and racing entry.  It was a lot less expensive before you got here...  :)  Not my fault either, or yours, but I have been punished for many, many years with increasing entry costs.  I haven't sued, and I haven't had a claim through any racing organization.

Pit bikes are a privelage that we'll have to pay for.  We don't have a right to it.  Sorry if I'm on the facility owner's side on this.  I don't want my entry fees to go up because of it, and I don't think that everyone should pay because a few people want to bring a pit bike to the track.

[weggieman]

extracktor.......you are going to punish yourself by not racing at blackhawk? what the hell sense does that make?

so you don't like the new pit bike deal, so? it's the deal and we have to live with it, or not, as you choose to do but to stop racing there because of it is ridiculous. don't bring a pit bike and you don't have to pay, it's as simple as that.

this doesn't affect just us, it's everyone at the track, cars, go karts, everyone. yeah, i don't like the way they did this either and i let them know it by an email but it's not going to keep me away from the track.

[r1owner]

But members of the organization, riders, didn't bother speakin' up to CCS officials or BFR management either.

I was at the BHF were we were not allowed to ride pit bikes in the morning the next day after the incident(s) took place.  I remember someone at the riders meeting speaking up rather loudly that the people commited the infractions be punished severely. 

I distinctly remember this person (don't know their name) speaking it and the dude giving the riders meeting speach blowing him off.

Rising costs are just that Dave... EVERYTHING has gone up.  Are you telling me they can directly attribute some rise in their costs to allowing pit bikes?  Those rules they printed on that flyer are pretty much what CCS says you shouldn't do already.  For people's 50 bucks, I better see some rent-a-cop preventing people from getting run over by a wayward pit-bike. ;)

[Super Dave]

Agreed.  That was an incident that occured.  The track took care of that, was my feeling.  CCS could have went further.  Didn't.

It wasn't the single thing that caused the new policy.  There were no injuries in that overnight incident. 

The $50 a pit bike for the season will pay for the extra security guard and the ATV that Blackhawk Farms Raceway is purchasing to secure their property.  If pit bikes were not allowed, there wouldn't have been a pit bike accident and there certainly shouldn't have been a pit bike incident on the track overnight. 

[Super Dave]

It is not the tracks responsibility to get rid of your trash. Take your old tires, fuel cans and other stuff with you! I gave the tires to Tom Mason who agreed to dispose of them.

You people complain about costs yet do stuff like this that cause the tracks to increase rental fees and such because they have to dispose of your garbage. This is stuff they can't just toss in a garbage truck it has to be diposed of through channels that cost them money.

I robbed this from another post...

But the issue is similar.  So much has to be ala carte now.  It's too bad, but there's so much money to be lost. 

[extrakt0r]

extracktor.......you are going to punish yourself by not racing at blackhawk? what the hell sense does that make?

so you don't like the new pit bike deal, so? it's the deal and we have to live with it, or not, as you choose to do but to stop racing there because of it is ridiculous. don't bring a pit bike and you don't have to pay, it's as simple as that.

this doesn't affect just us, it's everyone at the track, cars, go karts, everyone. yeah, i don't like the way they did this either and i let them know it by an email but it's not going to keep me away from the track.

I actually live in Kansas City, and run the Great Plains region as my home region...So me going to Blackhawk is becuase I want to go there, not because I have to...I go there because I like the track, the same with Barber...I really like Barber and will make the trek down there in August to race...

I am a principals person...Money isn't the issue...I could care less if the fee was $100.00...If they would have 1st punished these people and THEN did this fee, I would be ok with it, but they didn't do that, and that is why I am mad about the deal...

So, I am not going to go out of my way to race there, unless it is in my home region and required for points...

[extrakt0r]

If pit bikes were not allowed, there wouldn't have been a pit bike accident and there certainly shouldn't have been a pit bike incident on the track overnight. 

100% False...If CCS Managemant and/or BHF Managemant would actually punish people, people wouldn't break the rules...

If people didn't go to jail for murder, people would just kill people all the time...

If people didn't get tickets, everyone would speed all the time...

If people got punished when they crossed the blend line, they wouldn't do it...

If people got punished when they rode their pit bikes on the track at night, they wouldn't do it, and I wouldn't have to pay money to use my pit bike...

When we live in a world with no punishment, people do what they want, when they want...

Period. There is no arguement to that...  :)

[Super Dave]

100% False...If CCS Managemant and/or BHF Managemant would actually punish people, people wouldn't break the rules...

Injuries were sustained by individuals apart from the incident.  Punishment of the individuals involved in "the incident" by Blackhawk Farms management or the CCS staff would not have served either the specific or general deterence that would have stopped the injuries.

Yeah, I think maybe there should have been a punishment.

Let's say there was no incident.  We still have the accidents.  Regardless, there are issues there, and I think that at a club event the intent is to race.  Having or holding a racing license doesn't imply a right to have, hold, or ride a pit bike.  You can't ride a bicycle at Daytona, period.  Other tracks have specific things too. 

Blame the lawyers.  You can sign wavers all day long, but companies involved in racing still get sued.  There is a recognition of reasonable risk to riders on track.  The tracks are now being informed that they have risk through pit vehicles. 

Most amateurs should feel lucky that they can race 1000cc fours if they had them, because in the years and years prior, they were not allowed for amateur/novice racers.  Things change.  Pit bikes might be something that change for all tracks.

[LMsports]

BTW, not to cause further controversy but after talking with a track employee today I was told that registered street legal vehicles will not be subject to the fee...I'm bringing a Zuma. Put the license plate on today!

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

BTW, not to cause further controversy but after talking with a track employee today I was told that registered street legal vehicles will not be subject to the fee...I'm bringing a Zuma. Put the license plate on today!

Just make sure your reg is current. ;D

[Protein Filled]

Are you bringing the flags too? :D

BTW, not to cause further controversy but after talking with a track employee today I was told that registered street legal vehicles will not be subject to the fee...I'm bringing a Zuma. Put the license plate on today!