If you had an option...

[ew422]

Ooohh, good thread.  Sitting back with popcorn and a beer to watch the fun!   ;D

[PJ721]

Hey there Eric....where ya been? How was Daytona???

and to keep it on subject...I think the points system and updates on the web site have to be fixed...and make the mid-atlantic a real mid-atlantic region...2 races at Roebling? Barber is a great track but still...how is that mid-atlantic? Drop Roebling and make them at VIR...that would be sweet!

[ew422]

Eh, just mediocre for me.  Pretty much mid-pack results.  I'll tell ya, some fast riders show up at the ROC!  We'll talk tuesday night.  See ya then...

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Points! They did a horrible job for me last year. Right up till the banquet they had the wrong Blackhawk farms champion named , Heather kept track of points and had to correct CCS after every race, Made chasing points miserable. It's weird how at my cycling races they actually have what place you got and your current points before your heart rate came down from the race, And it is usually volunteers
and to think the race only cost 25 bucks to enter! You even get free lunch and jerseys. I still wake up every morning and have a bad taste in my mouth from CCS :P

Stumpy

Messed mine up in 03. I was keeping track of them for the "selective" classes that supposedly "qualify" to go into expert (contrairy to their own rule book which only states 750 points in a 12 month period. Nothing about "selective classes"). Last race weekend at Gateway they "lost" the results to the am GTU which would had gave me over 750 in the "selective classes" to be eligible to bump up to white plates. Emailed TX 4 times about this and not one reply. Oh well.

Talked with a friend about putting an international class or hobby stock car together for Jefferson Speedway and go circle jerk racing. $1000 for a fwd car, cage, harness and prep. Plus whatever for nomex suit, helmet, gloves, shoes and HANS. Aint road racing, doesnt have the racer family atmosphere like the midwest motorcycle racers here have where people help eachother out, but their rules are hard set and they dont play games with their customers (ie racers).

[Mark Bernard]

I agree that the gate fees are rediculus. How much goes to the track? How much goes to CCS? How much goes to the Air Fence fund?

If I go racing and want Becky and my 4 kids to come, not to mention any friends and relitives, how much does it cost me? Alot more than my entry fees, THATS for sure.

The gate fees are just out of line. BFR use to give refunds if you turned in your arm band at the end of Saturdays races if you were not going to attend on Sunday. Not any more. Hence, lower spectaters and lack of attendance, which generates LOWER revenues.

Speaking of gate fees and the air fence fund, does any one have ANY idea how much air fence was purchased last season or the season before when the gate fees were raised to purchase more air fence? I would really like to know the answer to that one.

[Mongo]

Go to ANY amatuer type motorsports event and tell me how much specators pay?!?!?!

MX usaully $5
Car Dirt track $7
Motorcycle dirt track $5
Drag Racing $10
Ice Racing $free
Please add to list.

I do more advertising than CCS themselves!! I'm always posting links and speading the word all over the web!! I even have CCS stickers on my truck!! There are alot of people who want to come out and bring there kids but no family of 4 is going to fork out $100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MX - much less overhead but every one I've been to was $10/day, damn that price sounds familiar.....
Dirt Track - for what 3-5 hours?  
Bike Dirt Track - same thing.
Drag Racing - Same thing.

You pay $20-$25 for 2 entire days of racing.  It's a fricking deal compared to the rest.  When it take $100 to fill a gas tank $20 ain't diddly and it's an excuse because your friends don't want to come anyway.

[Mongo]

On the split - normal is 50/50, some tracks however take all of the gate fees (and still charge a rental and for ambulances and workers and cleanup and damage and and and and).

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

I think they got 2 or 3 more sections Mark, just a guess. Didnt seem like there was any more this year than they had last year. And if what Chris said is true, and I have no reasons NOT to beleive him, teh track only gets half.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

You pay $20-$25 for 2 entire days of racing.  It's a fricking deal compared to the rest.  When it take $100 to fill a gas tank $20 ain't diddly and it's an excuse because your friends don't want to come anyway.

Mongo that all fine and dandy, but BHF hits you with $25 on saturday whether you stay for sunday or not. Its no biggie if you are doing both days, but CCS saturdays at BHF, spectator wise, suck. If someone is only able to come watch on saturday, do ya really think they will be back for the next weekend racing if its $25 a shot? Nope. Had a few people very interested in coming out to watch, until they learned thats its $25 A PERSON and you wont get refunded for teh sunday you wont be there. It really needs to go back to day passes and a weekend pass if you are planning the weekend. I can only imagine how much uproar is gonna happen if they raise gate fees again next year.

[Mongo]

There's anothing they or CCS can do if you're only there for Saturday assuming they allow camping.  We run into the same issue with our Vintage guys so we cut their fees slightly to offset it. Since the tracks almost always handle the money we're not in a position to do the refund thing for part of it.  

Either way $25 even for one day is worth it but it would be nice if the track could work with us for one day passes.

[Mark Bernard]

it would be nice if the track could work with us for one day passes.

What a concept.... ???  The trouble is that nobody cares. Or at the very least, falling on deaf ears.  :-/

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

When I started in 99 they had one day passes and yes they allow camping. $10 each day is what it used to be. You could buy a weekend pass on friday for $30 or sat for $20. Or if you were just gonna be there sat, $10. Then they had issues with some people stayign overnight (that only paid for 1 day) and not going and paying for sunday when they got up. So they changed it to buy a weekend pass sat BUT if you left by 5ish, and were not coming back, they refunded what would be sundays fee. Not anymore.

IMO spectator attendance has been way down from when I started. The small stands in 1 and 4 used to be full. Now, 3-4 people?