Anyone feeling H0SED???

[dicatirider944]

Not to b_tch here but diesel is $3.53 a gallon and gas is only $2.45.  I know they lowered gas prices so the general public will not be in such an uproar.  Is the general public not smart enough to figure out that everthing that is shipped in America is shipped buy diesel, either by truck, train(and yes I know trains are electric! but the generators to make the power are diesel) or barge.  You are still paying for the unreal diesel prices in every product you buy.  It cost me $131 to fill up my F-350 crewcab.  When I went in to pay the nice lady behind the counter asked me,"Do you needed anything else.  I said,"A Condom!"

[clutch]

Its total BS.  Diesel is less refined and there are virtually ZERO advertisment costs on diesel.  The advertisment does make up a decent percentage of the cost.  When have you last seen a commercial for diesel fuel,  hell your lucky enough to get a price on the road sign for it...all you usually see is the words diesel in small print.  It is still hovering at $2.79 - $2.89 here in northern, MD.  Went to the GNF and from VA south it was anywhere from $3.17 - $3.39 and it cost me $115 to fill the F-350 from 1/4 tank.  On the way back at the same place it dropped to $2.95/gal.  Why WHY WHY is Diesel so much.  I remember when it was $1.45 - $1.60 over the summer of 04.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

All they are doing is trying to get as much as they can from a certain segmant (ie Truckers).

[Super Dave]

Diesel isn't refined from the same materials as gasoline.  It's related to natural/gas.home heating oil.  That has been through the roof.  

Everything is based on futures trading.  Market swings push the price up and down.  Gasoline is pushed by futures trading too.  Gas went up and down because there was pressure on potential supply issues, and then those issues went away.  

Additionally, the US Dollar has been devalued because of NAFTA and all kinds of stuff that has forced so much production out of the US.  Ever try to buy toys for your kids that are made in USA?  

My property taxes have gone up too.  I get a kick out of seeing older people driving around in their Kia's, then I think of them complaining about how high their property taxes are with their fixed income.  Well, how did saving a little money on a product where the profits go to another country help your property taxes and the price of things here.

Back to my origninal thought, the dollar doesn't buy as much outside the US anymore.  So, outside oil actually costs more US Dollars as a result.

[Jeff]

Yes...  My ass is sore at the $.90 gap in unleaded to diesel in S.E. WI as of this morning.

Thankfully my local BP has started taking body organs in trade.  One slightly abused kidney should get me a full tank on the RV and pimp van...

[dicatirider944]

I disagree with you super dave.  I know that it is supply and demand, but with big oil profits at all time highs and growing on a daily basis, Exxon profits of $80 billion dollars it is just a matter of time before it will be cheaper to stay at home than go to work.  I know for most of us it is just an inconvenience, we have enough money to throw away at racing, we can afford higher prices at the pumps.  But this will be a trickle down effect.  It will hit all of our jobs at some point.  I wish I could double my earning in just one year!  Hey, anyone want a $200k house for $300K?  Deal?

[tug296]

We have the Tug Belle Watling working in the Gulf out of Mobile, she took on fuel 2 weeks ago, 20,000 gallons, did not even fill her up. The bill was like over $40,000.  I took on just a few thousand gallons on my Tug here in Jax., they wanted the co. credit card before they'd fuel it,  it's not only Truckers feeling the bite.

Missing my favorite Sport.

[WebCrush]

The reason diesel is staying high and going up higher (while gas goes down) is because refineries have to decide where the oil is gonna go.

Right now lots of heating companies are stocking up and lot of other people are turning on the base oil burners.

Since home heating oil is essentially the same as Diesel fuel, more heating oil demand means less diesel.  The additional demand also raises the price as the supply isn't there.

[Team-G]

I dunno guys, we sit at the bar and bee-atch about the price of gas/diesel while we pound drinks at $4.50 each....what's worse, a hundred dollar bar tab or 80 bux in the tank?  Glad my truck won't run on Jack...

All that aside, fuel prices still SUCK  >:(

[Super Dave]

I disagree with you super dave.  I know that it is supply and demand, but with big oil profits at all time highs and growing on a daily basis, Exxon profits of $80 billion dollars it is just a matter of time before it will be cheaper to stay at home than go to work.  I know for most of us it is just an inconvenience, we have enough money to throw away at racing, we can afford higher prices at the pumps.  But this will be a trickle down effect.  It will hit all of our jobs at some point.  I wish I could double my earning in just one year!  Hey, anyone want a $200k house for $300K?  Deal?

Profits.

Ok, first profits.  Shouldn't they make money?  Honestly, that's why we have any kind of supply is because they go and get it even though you've got enviornmentalists saying otherwise, litigation, health insurance issues, etc.

If you've got a set profit margin on a product, if the cost goes up and you maintain your margin, you'll "make more money".  If a barrel of crude goes from $17 a gallon to $60 and you reduce your margin of profit, you're going to "make more money".

If you bought a motorcycle and then sold it for five percent more than you bought it for, you'd have made a profit,  If you bought a similar bike a year later for twice what you paid for it previous one, but only sold it for three percent more, you would have "made more money" too.

Profits are not bad.  Go work some place where you don't get paid.  See how it works.

Cheaper to stay home and work?  if you can, do it.  Some people can't.  

I'm not going to explain how futures pricing works.  Supply and demand, real or imagined, push prices.  

[roadracer797]

Just think they say a barrel of oil will cost 191 by spring, and to let you know why deisel is going up it's as Dave says plus farmers are doing their picking and they are useing up a lot of offroad deisl which means oil companies have to make decisions on how much of what products to produce. Right now deisel users will have to suck it up and wait it out, it will go down just before it goes through the roof.

[Super Dave]

We use off road diesel in our loaders at the yard where I do some work.  It's $2.65 a gallon or so.  I don't know if that makes a difference in any fuel prices, as you're always going to do something reasonable like that to keep costs in check.

$191 a barrel by spring?  I don't know if anyone can say that.  If someone really felt that, you'd have guys buying up futures contracts like crazy.  That might cause a "potential shortage" and drive up the futures costs, and then the related retail costs would be driven up.