Air Fence for Summit 7/1-3

[gixxxer]

Racers should not have to pay to have the air fence especially if a club (TPM) is offering it for FREE!!!!!!  If you didn't get this the fist time let me type it again It's FREE!!!!!

I was at summit for July 2nd and 3rd and NO FENCE!!! During the riders meeting on Sun they didn't have an answer for the Shenandoah safety problem after a lot of ppl said they would not ride it because it wasn't safe.

I have no idea why they would not put up the FREE air fence.  Are they just lazy? They don't want to pay 2-3 ppl an hour to put up the fence.  It's obvious, CCS does not care about safety....(looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.... bla blab la)

[EmerWil]

this is a huge problem.  and dont start with the crap about us not helping again.  we are here to race....not put up airfence.  we pay REDICULOUS amounts of money to race.....not to put up airfence.  We drive down to the track early to relax and make sure everything is good to go with our machines and ourselves...not to put up airfence.  CCS as the orginization is responsible for putting up airfence.  We dont go out there to dry the track do we?  or clean up oil?  no.....the people who are GETTING paid do it.... not the people PAYING to race....     Team Promotions air fence is there for CCS' use FREE OF CHARGE!!!   why dont they want to use it?  who the hell knows.   but when someone hits one of those walls and is killed....maybe someone will listen.  and that is not being over dramatic....it is being real.   >:(

btw...with that being said....as i said earlier...we are ALWAYS willing to help put it up if need be.  i beleive i speak for everyone.

Just for the record the people you think are being paid to clean up the oil are volunteers.  MARRC does not pay it's corner workers.  

MARRC is an all volunteer organization.

[divein6]

Just for the record the people you think are being paid to clean up the oil are volunteers.  MARRC does not pay it's corner workers.  

MARRC is an all volunteer organization.

Could MARRC cornerworkers then setup airfence?

[VFRgrl]

Could MARRC cornerworkers then setup airfence?

We are volunteers. We get to the track at 6:45am- before most of you guys are even UP. Some of the guys have to get up even EARLIER to get equipment out to the turns.
We are at our turns 15-20 mins before practice starts...we then stand in the sun/rain/heat/cold/ whatever the entire day- with a 45 min lunch break. We pick up crashed motorcycles from the dirt, gravel, tire walls..We clean up oil spills, debris, and riders from the track....we are there until the last motorcycle rolls into the pits.
If there are delays due to too many 'red' flags, a chopper, oil clean up sometimes we are there until after 6pm...when we have been on our feet since 7am
Honestly I am way too tired to then tear down an airfence.

[EmerWil]

Could MARRC cornerworkers then setup airfence?

Look.  Here's the bottom line.  When you come to race you sign a little piece of paper that says you understand the inhearent risks that come with racing.   Yes we know how much you "pay to play" and that goes along with any venture.

There will NEVER be a 100% safe track.  There will NEVER be a track totally void of danger.  

Again I go back to what I said before. If you, the racer, wants air fence so bad get a group of people together that will do nothing but airfence.  setup, refilling when they deflate, and tear down.  

If you're going to sit there and bitch that you pay too much money, don't have time, not your problem or any OTHER excuse then save it for someone else.

If you're going to bitch about it not being there and not offer up help to resolve the problem then all you're doing is whinning and I don't have time for whiners at the track.

This always happens...people bitch about there not being air fence but when it comes time for people to STEP UP no one wants to help.

And don't make the statement "what does it take? someone dying?".  That crap doesn't sit well with me either.  

What if the corner workers said "oh let someone else go pick that downed rider up" or "oh it's not safe enough to run out to the middle of the carosel to help that rider".

[divein6]

Look.  Here's the bottom line.  When you come to race you sign a little piece of paper that says you understand the inhearent risks that come with racing.   Yes we know how much you "pay to play" and that goes along with any venture.

There will NEVER be a 100% safe track.  There will NEVER be a track totally void of danger.  

Again I go back to what I said before. If you, the racer, wants air fence so bad get a group of people together that will do nothing but airfence.  setup, refilling when they deflate, and tear down.  

If you're going to sit there and bitch that you pay too much money, don't have time, not your problem or any OTHER excuse then save it for someone else.

If you're going to bitch about it not being there and not offer up help to resolve the problem then all you're doing is whinning and I don't have time for whiners at the track.

This always happens...people bitch about there not being air fence but when it comes time for people to STEP UP no one wants to help.

And don't make the statement "what does it take? someone dying?".  That crap doesn't sit well with me either.  

What if the corner workers said "oh let someone else go pick that downed rider up" or "oh it's not safe enough to run out to the middle of the carosel to help that rider".

wow you sound like a d i c k notch for sure.. I wasent complaining at all  I was simply asking if MARRC would mind setting up airfence  thats all.I mean you guys preach safty all the time so I would assume airfence would be someting they would jump at.   And no I dont  b i t c h about paying too much and yes I have set up airfence plenty of times. Why do I do it? Becasue I am a part of the staff that sets it up with TPM. WHy would I not do it at a race day?? Becasue I am NOT a part of CCS's staff, and neither is MARRC... Fact is CCS dosent put them up because they dont want to have to pay for the repairs (if any are needed) to the airbags if they are dammaged.

[Chris_s]

Trust me I know about volunteering.  Instead of going out with my friends after work yesterday i fought a fire in an apartment building.  And i did not get paid...but guess what.....we did it to get people out of harms way and to keep them safe.  I am not saying it is a conerworkers job to put up the airfence,  and as you know EVERYONE appreciates you guys!  Without you guys we couldnt be out there.  But what is it about this crappy attitude?  if its not your problem then point us out to whose problem it is. Because it sure is not the racers responsibility during a race weekend.  Theres way too much going on for us anyway.  Yea we sign a waiver.  We understand the risks.  But far be it from me to sit and watch the risk be elevated due to SOMEONE (not cornerworkers) not willing to even use the airfence.  Its def not about ccs not getting help because at summit correct me if I am wrong but I did not hear one annoucement made to ask for help....the god damn effort wasnt even there.  As said im a VOLUNTEER firefighter/EMT....i give TONS AND TONS of time to my community......to MINIMIZE RISK.......and i do not expect anything back.....nothing....

With such a high risk sport...you would guess that CCS would try to minimize the risk for us.....instead of saying oh....they signed a waiver.....they cant sue so we dont have to take any extra measures to protect them.  OR we dont want to be responsible for breaking airfence thats not ours because then they'd have to pay for it.  whatever the case may be.....i find it sad.  but thanks to team promotion for being such a great organization looking to minimize the risk for everyone..... ;)

and btw.....yesterday i did not ask the homeowner to back me up on the 2 1/2 inch handline or assist in overhaul.  so in relation DO NOT keep hinting that it is our responsibility.  

[EmerWil]

My frustration stems from everyone complaining that it doesn't get done.

And I was a volunteer in Loudoun County for 10 years before moving to the eastern panhandle.  So I can appreciate not asking the homeowner for help on the 2 1/2 inch line..smirk.

Just gets a little old after a while listening to "A" bash "B" and then someone throws some misinformation in and then someone gets offended and feelings get hurt.

[Chris_s]

as does mine.  nothing is aimed at the cornerworkers...at least from my point of view.  if it comes off that way i apologize.  but the fact that ccs CHOOSES not to use air fence to protect its racers.....well.....says a lot about the organization.  clearly.  

[gixxxer]

Why isn't CCS saying anything?  Why isn't CCS taking some action to get the airfence going?

They really don't want to for repairs if someone hit it??  Here is a quote about Shenandoah from CCS on another post " There is no track that is perfectly safe. We are working with Bill Scott to make this track usable, and as some of you have said, it is up to you whether you ride there or not, and I will respect that decision because ultimately you must accept the risk."

So i guess we should just suck it up, safe/not safe, airfence/no airfence... it's your butt not CCS's.  They have a waiver to protect themselves... we have a tire wall....

MARRC cares about safety not CCS.  If their main concern is paying for repairs to the airfence then we are in big trouble

[gpstar1]

They supply air fence for the fusa events, so what are ccs regoinal races chop liver. The tire walls at summit will do nothing but put you into the hospital.

[WebCrush]

And this, folks, is why I'm avoiding the Mid-Atlantic CCS region and sticking with LRRS.

We have AirFence setup by track staff on a regular basis at no cost to us, and the track even goes ahead and buys more annually.

They also pay our corner workers, feed em, and give em free entry to the track.

Then again, LRRS doesn't have a 95% chance of changing its schedule from overcrowding its program, doesn't put SS and non SS races back to back and doesn't advance practice by 30 minutes in the morning without notice.  ::)