Air Fence for Summit 7/1-3

[cbrf4_269]

I also would like to see the air fence put up, but I have seen first hand how everyone wants it up, but doesn't want to help.  

Art asked over the PA for like two hours to get people to help put up the air fence last year.  you know how many racers showed up..... three.  All the rest were corner workers.  Your telling me that all the racers had something else to do at 5:30pm on a friday night.... I doubt it.  I was completely shocked when I saw that no one else would help.  

I am willing to put up and take down the fence, but I would like to actually see more than two other racers actually show up an help.  

[EmerWil]

don't get me wrong.  I want to see the riders be safe and feel secure in racing.

I just wanted to point out that it just seems to be human nature that in our perfect world everyone commits to helping but when it comes time to call on this people there's always one story or another why they can't or don't want to help...

If things are important to people they'll show up and not expect anything in return.

More times than not they just assume someone else is taking care of it

[Roach]

I keep seeing racing orgs saying "no one will help set it up and take it down".

My question is ... why is this the customer's job?

I read a post on the WERA BBS about this where one of the replies was "You don't help stock the shelves at Walmart before you buy something", and I tend to agree.

The race orgs are businesses, we are their customers. The customer shouldn't have to pay, then also work for the business. If $$ is the issue and the current budget doesn't have the funds ... charge each racer an extra $5 at registration for events with air fence, tell them that the $5 is to pay the air fence crew for the weekend, and get the stuff in place. Just IMHO as I'd happily pay an extra $5 for air fence to be in place.

- Roach

[Rob 315]

asking at the event is too late.  the fence has to be set up the day before.

maybe tearing down the fence might be different and then an announcement could be made.

just making the point that this is not something that can be done at the last minute.

the whole thing with airfence is that everyone wants it but no one wants to come early to set it up and/or stay late to break it down and put it away.

Not to mention the fact there has to be an entire crew of people to maintain the fence over the course of the weekend.

If you all want it so bad contact Kevin and tell him you have 10, 15, 20 or however many people that have COMMITTED to being there early to set it up and to tear it down.

It's like some people want it there but they think it's someone elses responsibility to take care of it.

quite frustrating.

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Wow.  For everyones information I have personally torn down the air bags before After a track event at Summit with TPM with 2 (thats two) other fellows. Having more than 3 people is not necessarry I dont even know if 20 people would fit over there on turn 4 let alone what they would all do. And although I have never set them up I have seen the crew go out, and they too have about 3-4 guys, and do this the morning of the track day. all in all it takes about 30 minutes or so.  Its really not all that hard to set up/take down air bags. And yes TPM's airbags are sitting at summit 24/7 waiting to be used.

[Chris_s]

I for one will be PISSED if there is no air fence considering there is air fence as i_ride stated, sitting in a god damn storage shed AT SUMMIT POINT.  and i like that walmart comment and its exactly how i feel.  I dont ask my customers to come in and enter thier own order in my system, or make their own parts.  CCS is a organization which should do everything in their power to keep their customers safe.  Having airfence there....but not wanting to make a single phone call to use it.....is rediculous.  

[divein6]

I have personally set up the airfence at various TPM events. It take a total of 2 people not an enitre "crew" to set the airfence up. takes about 15-20 give or take  minutes per bag to blow up with the blower. If you have two blowers it can go faster as one person can blow up one bag and another starts on the other.

[EmerWil]

I for one will be PISSED if there is no air fence considering there is air fence as i_ride stated, sitting in a god damn storage shed AT SUMMIT POINT.  and i like that walmart comment and its exactly how i feel.  I dont ask my customers to come in and enter thier own order in my system, or make their own parts.  CCS is a organization which should do everything in their power to keep their customers safe.  Having airfence there....but not wanting to make a single phone call to use it.....is rediculous.  

When you come to the race track you know what you're doing.  You know it's a dangerous sport.  You know that people get hurt.  You know that sometimes people get really hurt despite the safety equipment, the corner workers, the ambulance crews and everyone else.

When you sign the dotted line you are stating that you understand the inherant risks and you basically sign your rights away.

You want the safety fence but want someone else to take care of it.  What if the corner workers felt that way and said "eh...someone else will go pick up that downed rider".

don't say it's not your job to help.  Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

[1fastmofo]

don't say it's not your job to help.  Be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Doesn't track prep include setting up airfence? Isn't that part of what we pay for?

[divein6]

you know i just rememberd tpm has a track day on the 4th so ccs wont even have to take the airbags down just set them up :)

[RADRB8]

Looks like they didn't even put it up at all even knowing the facts about the TPM day...

That place is scary without AirFence...

[Rob 315]

Well had a blast racing last weekend. All the CCS officials seemed very nice, helpful and knowledgable. Thank you for putting on a great race weekend. I Dont have any complaints about how the day was run EXCEPT for the lack of the air bags. Are these people responding for CCS on here the same guys at the track?? because I couldnt tell by the arrogant, and almost idiotic responses.  Its really sad that someone makes the decsion not to use the airbags for whatever reasons they might have if any.

http://www.teampromotion.com/tpm.php?page_id=feature_070705


sorry to bring this thread back from the dead....but reading this story reminded me...and pissed me off all over again

[Chris_s]

this is a huge problem.  and dont start with the crap about us not helping again.  we are here to race....not put up airfence.  we pay REDICULOUS amounts of money to race.....not to put up airfence.  We drive down to the track early to relax and make sure everything is good to go with our machines and ourselves...not to put up airfence.  CCS as the orginization is responsible for putting up airfence.  We dont go out there to dry the track do we?  or clean up oil?  no.....the people who are GETTING paid do it.... not the people PAYING to race....     Team Promotions air fence is there for CCS' use FREE OF CHARGE!!!   why dont they want to use it?  who the hell knows.   but when someone hits one of those walls and is killed....maybe someone will listen.  and that is not being over dramatic....it is being real.   >:(

btw...with that being said....as i said earlier...we are ALWAYS willing to help put it up if need be.  i beleive i speak for everyone.