Ok folks,
This goes out to all of you that have that 5500 to 15000 Watt Noisy Ass Construction Grade, Home Depot, ON Sale, generator to Power your $35.00 Walmart fan and tire warmers. WTFudge, can we make the pits any noisier from that OVERKILL of a Generator. Not only does it give you a Headache all day, those few people who have them can't afford a Long Extension cord after spending the money on that POS generator to have consideration for his fellow racer to put it somewhere farther away, other than the opposite side of his trailer, (so he wont be bothered by the noise and vbration it emits) yet up against mine, only to give us the headache all day of listening to it!! In addition, you can't hear the announcements for any of the calls, crashes, delays, practice groups, etc. etc. I pay just as much as everyone else to come and ride...to enjoy myself, to relax, and to be able to hear the person next to me, other than constantly scream all day and say,"What?"
Now some of you are going to tell me that I should've moved....I was going to move that first day, except for the guy who parked his pick up and trailer right up along my trailer (I don't even know how he managed to get out of his truck since I had extended the canopy off of it the night before to give the next guy an idea of what I was trying to accomplish). Oh, did I mention the guy that backed his trailer up against the front of my trailer tongue as well with his trailer- WTFudge? So, I indulged myself with the greatest of patience all weekend only not to want to turn off the 4 5500-15000 Watt Generators surrounding me!! Here's an idea, purchase one of those NICE AND QUIET, PLENTY OF POWER, HONDA GEnerators. Yes, they might be a bit pricey....but they will go 10 times longer, save you on fuel, and the Decibel Rating will be less than your bike with the muffler removed. If you don't believe me...go by Rat Racing and see the three Honda 5500 Watt Generators....and you'll be able to carry on a conversation, headache free, standing right next to them. I even offered the one guy my trailer power, just so he would turn off his 15000 Watt Generator and he just laughed! :finger:
Amazing how rude some people can be setting up their pit isnt it? Kinda like people that put their canopies into the paddock road and park their bikes there also. Nothing like making a NARROW paddock road NARROWER. Or people who park their cars in no parking zones. Really wish tracks would ENFORCE not only noise regs to help stop problems you had with generators, but also make rules making putting up canopies and parking race/personal vehicles within 2' of the pit road surface.
Guys with the Nascar edition generators can make a muffler pretty cheap that reduces noise. I have a nasty one, was able to not use it this weekend and used the Honda EU3000. They are nice
Ya F2RGK was surrounded the next day by other peoples trailers. The guys behind us had their noisy azz generator going and he decided to put it away from his trailer up against ours! He couldve put it on the other side of his trailer away from ours but he literally put it right next to the tongue of ours 5 ft away from his. I think they were even aggravated whenever I rode my bicycle by them because the only way to get out of the pit was over their cord and between their trailer. :rollseyes: Im not sure though because I couldn't understand what they were saying.
Whatever though. It wasn't the end of the world. Just sayin... :whine:
congrats to D-wire... (didn't you set a new track record?)
People with noisy generators should put them no closer to another trailer than their own.
It was much quieter before tire warmers.
Devin, thanks. Barney and I were exchanging the record for 4 laps or so....all within 9 hundredths of the old record. He ended up going 1.16.60 to my 1.16.61. ....I should have farted on the straightaway!
agree 100%
i dont have generator but i have to borrow one that is not as noise as some of the truck size looking generators that some ppl have.
It's one thing to have a noisy one, if that's all you can have for now, but to not do anything to block the sound in anyway, esp. putting them in other people's areas, is annoying. Gus... were you the one wearing teal scrubs yesterday after racing was over?
Yeah I guess I am one of those guys, except I was pitted in my area before anyone else on Friday. I usually tell everyone before they pull in and get their stuff out that I'm that guy with "that generator" and park at your own risk. I have 100' ext cords that I use, I park the thing as far away as possible and always let anyone who needs to plug into go ahead. Funny thing it's powered by a Honda engine. Racing is done on a budget by most people and I don't think I'm too far off the mark by saying not everyone can afford your recommendations for a generator. I have a A/C & everything else in trailer plus 4 sets of warmers, I'm not going out to buy a EU6500 or two EU3000's to make you happy. You want me to get a quiter generator then buy me one because I'm sure as sh*t not going to anytime soon. I do agree that if you know you have one of the noiser generators you should try your best to limit the decibel noise as much as possible. This is always a interesting subject but I think this year if you can just make it to the track you should be happy.There was much more noise problems at the far end of the pits due to the drag racing than the generators by the way.Flame on :pop:
Blackbeener, where were you pitted? (just curious, i'm not trying to make a big deal or anything) Oh, and who was Josh Hayes there with/for? Did anyone see him driving that XL monster RV/Truck? I gotta get one of those, so I can store my beatup r6 in. :)
I purchased a brand new Honda generator last year at the beginning of the season. I also own one of those " Hammers of Hell" generators but elected to leave that at home and practice some pit ettiquet. I read a lot of posts like this one that prompted me to make the Honda purchase. Our season opener last year was at Daytona and when we got into the pits and got set up, turns out we were surrounded by the exact make and model genny that we left at home. We just looked at each other and laughed. Couldn't hear squat all weekend. We just watched for bikes in our classes to move out and caught a scattered announcement from time to time. I now carry both just in case we get somewhere that has no electricity. I only break out the pile driver when I absolutely have to. I WISH I could afford a 6500 Honda. Maybe next year?
To me it's not such a big deal about the generators being loud. Just the way some decided that theirs was too loud to put right up on their trailer so they put it up on someone elses. I know it's cramped in the paddock but damn.
Life goes on though... 8)
Who is ready for Homestead??? I haven't looked if there are any track days between now and then. I would like to get some practice in.
Quote from: Blackbeener on October 05, 2009, 12:10:09 PM
Yeah I guess I am one of those guys, except I was pitted in my area before anyone else on Friday. I usually tell everyone before they pull in and get their stuff out that I'm that guy with "that generator" and park at your own risk. I have 100' ext cords that I use, I park the thing as far away as possible and always let anyone who needs to plug into go ahead. Funny thing it's powered by a Honda engine. Racing is done on a budget by most people and I don't think I'm too far off the mark by saying not everyone can afford your recommendations for a generator. I have a A/C & everything else in trailer plus 4 sets of warmers, I'm not going out to buy a EU6500 or two EU3000's to make you happy. You want me to get a quiter generator then buy me one because I'm sure as sh*t not going to anytime soon. I do agree that if you know you have one of the noiser generators you should try your best to limit the decibel noise as much as possible. This is always a interesting subject but I think this year if you can just make it to the track you should be happy.There was much more noise problems at the far end of the pits due to the drag racing than the generators by the way.Flame on :pop:
Not blaming you, but I think I mentioned that I was there Friday night at 10:30p.m. to where you could drive a semi around the lot, planned my position by staging my trailer in line with the concession stand since my last PBIR weekends were divided down the middle to get thru the paddock. I'm not here to tell what a budget someone should have, or what generator to buy. My point was to have some consideration for your neighbor with your Hammer for a generator. Oh, and one last thing.....did anyone think about how to park their stuff this weekend or what? Ridiculous....I guess we have to get organized parking people to guide us now. Daytona doesn't even have this problem.
You should be complaining about those tracks that are too cheap to provide power but charge a premium to enter.
Quote from: tzracer on October 05, 2009, 09:09:40 AMIt was much quieter before tire warmers.
+1,000,000,000
I agree.. it was much cheaper and quieter without tire warmers..
Has anyone ever tried putting a bigger muffler on a loud generator? I've found instructiuons to do it on the web, but does it really work?
Just asking cause I need more power and have been searching Tracktor Supply, Harbor Freight and Home depot for the cheapest power I can find.
If PBIR got a better PA system, then the sounds of the generators would not be so bad...I missed third call on one race because we couldn't hear anything at all from our tent...nothing against PBIR, but I can't wait to get to Homestead, at least they have power and garages...and a PA system that works!!!
P.S. Given all the money that PBIR spent on getting the track re-done, they could have spared a few dollars for some electricity, even if it was just poles with power outlets...
screw the electricity... they need to spend money on their own set of airfences. what do we do to get this done. This is an actual question, not a smartass sarcastic question, where the fuck are the airfences out there? I know it's hard to get them due to money and they need donations but how does it work on deciding which tracks to put them at, what weekends, etc. The FL schedule is there the most out of the year too.
Back to the electricity, that would be nice.
Quote from: Gixxerblade on October 05, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
You should be complaining about those tracks that are too cheap to provide power but charge a premium to enter.
Huh? What? I can't seem to get past Jessica alba!! LOL!!!!!
Quote from: motomaniac on October 05, 2009, 08:53:20 PM
I agree.. it was much cheaper and quieter without tire warmers..
Has anyone ever tried putting a bigger muffler on a loud generator? I've found instructiuons to do it on the web, but does it really work?
Just asking cause I need more power and have been searching Tracktor Supply, Harbor Freight and Home depot for the cheapest power I can find.
I did. It helped, but nothing like a quiet Yamaha or Honda. Problem is much of the noise is not from the exhaust, but from the engine itself. The quiet generators are essentially foam lined housings to stop much of the sound from the engine. Oh, make sure you mount any support brackets to the engine, not the generator frame. The engine is (usually) rubber mounted to the frame. The muffler will be trying to shake with the engine, any support mounted to the frame will not be free to move with the muffler, it will fail relatively quickly.
So, in addition to a muffler, you would need to make some sort of housing for the generator to absorb noise, but still provide enough ventilation so the generator does not over heat.
Quote from: DEVINC on October 05, 2009, 12:39:33 PM
Oh, and who was Josh Hayes there with/for? Did anyone see him driving that XL monster RV/Truck? I gotta get one of those, so I can store my beatup r6 in. :)
Probably his wife. Melissa in USGPRU.
Quote from: tzracer on October 05, 2009, 11:28:46 PMyou would need to make some sort of housing for the generator to absorb noise, but still provide enough ventilation so the generator does not over heat.
Basically an open top box thats 6" taller probably would help kill some of the sound from travellign across the ground.
Quote from: DEVINC on October 05, 2009, 09:57:37 PM
screw the electricity... they need to spend money on their own set of airfences. what do we do to get this done. This is an actual question, not a smartass sarcastic question, where the fuck are the airfences out there? I know it's hard to get them due to money and they need donations but how does it work on deciding which tracks to put them at, what weekends, etc. The FL schedule is there the most out of the year too.
Back to the electricity, that would be nice.
Devin,
PBIR did purchase the safety fencing that is out there, mainly prompted by our own Sean D. raising money for the fund. Thanks again Sean. What we have there is a track that is inherently with walls that wouldn't have been an impact area without the situation that happened. If you noticed at the rider's meeting Henry is always asking for input from the riders about where to place the safety fencing. There is only so much of it to go around.
Mark
While we're on the subject of noise, if you start your bike and then blip the throttle for 2 sepereate 20 minute sessions before 6am next year, I'm going to throw a full, unopened can of soda at you and then spray paint a unicorn on your pretty racebike.
:)
There will be more barrier deployed before the next event.
i have one of those noisy generators but its usually running tire warmers on 2 bikes. would love a honda or yamaha but $1k+ for a 2000w is hard to justify. found that if you have a pickup truck put it in the bed with the tailgate up. does a great job of blocking the noise. 15-20ft away its hard to hear it running. have used the cardboard box trick too and it works pretty good
Quote from: skidMARK on October 06, 2009, 07:06:42 AM
Devin,
PBIR did purchase the safety fencing that is out there, mainly prompted by our own Sean D. raising money for the fund. Thanks again Sean. What we have there is a track that is inherently with walls that wouldn't have been an impact area without the situation that happened. If you noticed at the rider's meeting Henry is always asking for input from the riders about where to place the safety fencing. There is only so much of it to go around.
Mark
I understand there is only so much to go around. Thank you Sean for contributing also. I think PBIR is a good place to be except for the walls. The padding just doesn't seem like enough. Speaking of, has anyone heard about Isidro (i think that is his name) from the deal on Sunday? I know that Sanchez and whoever else are relatively ok but last I heard the other guy is still in pretty bad shape. I guess I will check JGP forum. Too bad there is not another track around central'ish Florida that is a safer track (maybe another motorcycle only) that we could spend the major part of the schedule at. Not trying to sound ungrateful for our schedule/tracks, just don't like to see people get hurt so much on these walls. :ahhh:
Quote from: Burt Munro on October 06, 2009, 02:29:16 AM
Probably his wife. Melissa in USGPRU.
Oh. I didn't know that. Cool.
Quote from: d-wire on October 06, 2009, 09:30:12 AM
There will be more barrier deployed before the next event.
That always sounds great. :thumb:
Devin,
Every track we have been to have had it's share of catastrophe with either hitting a wall or hitting a tree. I am pretty sure that tree is gone now. It is part of the equation when it come to this hobby. It does not go to say though that improvements can't be made on any track.
Daytona's high bank and close walls(if you dare) can be a very intimidating site the first time you see it, but I think it is part of the allure of racing there. The difference is that I might do 140ish and you can do 160mph on your 600.
I think that maybe Miller is probably the safest track for walls or trees.
Mark
Well put Mark. I know everyone out ther has accepted the risk. I guess we just make the most improvements that we can, and in the meantime have a blast riding. :cheers:
Quote from: mikendzel on October 06, 2009, 09:23:23 AM
While we're on the subject of noise, if you start your bike and then blip the throttle for 2 sepereate 20 minute sessions before 6am next year, I'm going to throw a full, unopened can of soda at you and then spray paint a unicorn on your pretty racebike.
:)
Are you channeling DaveK from the WERA BBS? :biggrin:
For all you guys that think its part of the sport....hit a wall then let me no how you feel.Ya they had a soft barrier up in a none impact area but i managed to hit the wall 100ft away from it.Maybe i woudnt be hurt so bad if it was in a impact area. :banghead:If there is more than 2 or 3 rounds there next year for Florida region,I wont be.
I guess it's hard to understand what it feels like to hit the wall like Brad did. How are you holding up Brad?
Iam holding up Devin, little by little getting better just going to take a little time.All i am saying is the track doesnt leave any room for error.Running in the teens there, you wreck you hit wall period.And if you dont then thats the miracle.
That is good to hear that you are getting better. I guess the best solution for PBIR would be airfence (as would a lot of other places). I agree that it does have more sketchy places than not. I am not trying to point fingers at anybody or anything, as I do not have an solution to it, and all of us that race there, choose to. Just saying and discussing. :blahblah:
i haven't rode on the new track just the old one. but the the new looks more dangerous than the old pit. it's the only track in fl with zero electricity
Quote from: skidMARK on October 06, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
Devin,
Every track we have been to have had it's share of catastrophe with either hitting a wall or hitting a tree. I am pretty sure that tree is gone now. It is part of the equation when it come to this hobby. It does not go to say though that improvements can't be made on any track.
Daytona's high bank and close walls(if you dare) can be a very intimidating site the first time you see it, but I think it is part of the allure of racing there. The difference is that I might do 140ish and you can do 160mph on your 600.
I think that maybe Miller is probably the safest track for walls or trees.
Mark
no tree was cut down.. one tree was not the problem, it was the fact the rider decided to ride it out for hundreds of feet rather than lay it down or bail off. totoally unfortunate situation, but there was lots of run off room to make a decision.
At pbir you have no time to make a decision in a few danger areas. If you crash you will hit a wall or hopefully airfence long before you slow down. Racers need to take EXTRA SPECIAL CARE to ride a bit more reserved in these areas on the track to limit the chance of a crash or bumping someone off.
Yeah, I wish my boy had layed it down.......but wouldn't mind mulching that particular tree
so there seems to be a need for a concerted effort to fix the safety issues at pbir especilly since we race there 80% of the season. we are allways going to have bad incidences but we seem tohave a lot them there and are lucky that no one has been lost there yet.
gald to see your doing better brad that was a nasty crash in an odd place.it looks like we would almost have to air fence the whole track since it's only speculation on were to put it . with limited amount of fence, installing it has been more reactive than proactive. you could make the case that only a few guys have hit the wall but if you count all the ones that almost hit it we may have to rethink riding there. i've never asked but how much does the fence cost ? i'm sure it's not cheap . maybe there needs to be a little added to the entry or the gate fee to help with this.instead of a few guys carrying the load. or sell advertising on it ? i don't mind 5 bucks a race or entry for a year if it's going to a good cause especilly since we all might need it.
Not really that odd, there has only been six rounds there give it time.
The tree thing. Is that about JGP? Probably. What was the deal with that?
I also think we spend too much time at PBIR to not have more safety. BTW, besides the am/ex. collision last weekend, there was someone else that hit a wall in the Am. GTU race. I believe he lowsided. Eitherway, it was an average crash, not some odd collision in an odd place, and he hit the wall and had to ride the ambulance out I believe. I don't know that 100% but it is what I heard from the crash truck driver (I had a small fall in that race also). He hit the wall around T7.
Does anyone have any news on Isidro? I heard a possibility of bad news but not sure.
I would agree PBIR needs to get more air fence up in certain turns, we're getting too close to the wall and I'm only a mid-pack AM...with the number of CCS events there, I would hope something is done... :thumb:
of course i was cripped on the "safe track" jennings but high sides are not usually the fault of the track. since i'm just spectating right now . you guys are a better judge of it's safety. everyone likes homestead but the walls spooked me there also .my guess is henry will install some chacaines like the old track to slow everyone down. i know they ran it the other directon before but that might be worse.
Mark,
I think the purposely put down some bad super slippery asphalt where your tire started spinning and then they put some super sticky stuff right after. So your highside should be blamed on JGP.
8)
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OR, get a honda!
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OR, get a honda!