Hello posting for a friend...
but can I have people's opinions on the unlimited displacement rule for twins the F40 class?
How could it be considered fair and even playing field when you have a 1098cc+ vs GSXR 750? I don't think I need to post the spec sheets from the two in order to make the point there is a rather large gap between the machinery.
I was wondering if anyone else has contacted CCS in regards to this and what the response was. Look forward to the responses.. Thanks :pop:
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 1000cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine configurations, Unlimited displacement
How is your 1098 cooled?
Unless it's air cooled it's not legal.
Quote from: HAWK on August 04, 2008, 12:50:15 AM
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 1000cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 775cc
All other engine configurations, Unlimited displacement
How is your 1098 cooled?
Unless it's air cooled it's not legal.
Ye olde rule book says 775cc inline 4, everything else unlimited. Same rules as heavyweight superbike. You've got the heavyweight supersport rules there Hawk..
Paul,
Kevin sent a bulletin that updated the rule book about the time 2008 cards were sent out, twins are unlimited, probably as much for the Buell 1125 as for the Ducati 1098. Either way I don't see where the F40 class has been dominated by the Ducati's nationwide. I may race one next season. Maybe even be competitive in F40 on one, maybe.
Clayton
Guess I never saw the update.
Wonder what else is wrong in my rule book.
You do know the rule that prohibits anyone who is currently collecting Workman's Comp from racing, don't you?
Quote from: Blackbeener on August 03, 2008, 10:00:15 PM
Hello posting for a friend...
but can I have people's opinions on the unlimited displacement rule for twins the F40 class?
How could it be considered fair and even playing field when you have a 1098cc+ vs GSXR 750? I don't think I need to post the spec sheets from the two in order to make the point there is a rather large gap between the machinery.
I was wondering if anyone else has contacted CCS in regards to this and what the response was. Look forward to the responses.. Thanks :pop:
GSXR 750 --- 145-150hp in race trim
Ducati 1098 -- 160 hp in race trim ( I think)
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Quote from: benprobst on August 05, 2008, 04:48:48 PM
GSXR 750 --- 145-150hp in race trim
Ducati 1098 -- 160 hp in race trim ( I think)
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Look at the torque figures.. HP isn't everything...
Quote from: benprobst on August 05, 2008, 04:48:48 PM
GSXR 750 --- 145-150hp in race trim
Ducati 1098 -- 160 hp in race trim ( I think)
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
I was wondering why my 750 was so slow compared to yours, I'm missing about 15-20hp :wah:
Quote from: benprobst on August 05, 2008, 04:48:48 PM
GSXR 750 --- 145-150hp in race trim
Ducati 1098 -- 160 hp in race trim ( I think)
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Most club raced 1098's are probably only producing about 145~150 hp at the wheel so it should be close. There are probably a few 1098s out there making a lot more power. There are always exceptions.
My 1098 made 146 on DynoJet that was with Racing ECU pump gas. It sure do not turn like the 750. I doubt many people will have the R but it should make more.
Quote from: Burt Munro on August 04, 2008, 04:00:45 PM
You do know the rule that prohibits anyone who is currently collecting Workman's Comp from racing, don't you?
Oh, SNAP!
Ok, fine, i'll borrow a 600 for the next round and the outcome won't be any different...
It's not the bike, sometimes the rider is just faster, plain and simple...make sure u tell ur friend
Blackbeener...
If it's all about the rider then there is no problem in getting rid of the 1098 from F40 and putting it with the UL classes. Isn't that world Superbike does??
Mark
Quote from: djduc748l on August 12, 2008, 03:53:25 PM
Ok, fine, i'll borrow a 600 for the next round and the outcome won't be any different...
It's not the bike, sometimes the rider is just faster, plain and simple...make sure u tell ur friend
Blackbeener...
Yeah, umm it's not his first year racing...you also sound like you've never raced at Miami-Homestead speedway where every other 1098 is a 1098r and a few ex-WSB's mixed in for good measure. He has no problem being beaten by a better rider, as I'm sure none of us would but when you have a 15 to 20 bike length lead on 2nd place and watch the guy ride around you at the line, it's pretty sad. Oh well we got our reply from Mr. Kelcher, rules will stay as they are for this year...Thanks for the all input guys/gals..
Quote from: steve p on August 05, 2008, 09:12:04 PM
I was wondering why my 750 was so slow compared to yours, I'm missing about 15-20hp :wah:
Yup, I'm with you.
I really hope this doesn't come across wrong but how about letting females of any age in F40? We could call it the FF40 class? -Snack
youre just tryin to meet more chics ::)
What, me?
Seriously, would be nice to have a few more bikes on the grids. Btw to all the women who run the (hopefully) new FF40 class you will receive a free "No Bill" sticker.
MILF F40? That's terrible, Snack...I can't believe you PMed me that...
Wow, talk about being thrown under the bus (no pun intended). -Snack
PS. I didn't PM him that. Really.
:biggrin:
I got your bus right here. :kicknuts:
Jenna?
Time to build a 791 motor.......
Anyone who watched F40 at RoC knows that there is no comparison between a 1098R and ANY 750, even if it's an FX build. Granted that the 1098R had a great rider on board, the fact is that they are two bikes that belong in totally different classes. The proposition that a 1098R, with 1198cc of displacement, liquid cooling, multi-valves, OHC's, is a heavyweight bike is preposterous. Hallelujah that CCS changed that rule for 2009.
Heck, the 1098R is competitive with in-line 4 litre bikes...what do you think that it'll do to a 750?
To double post, but is the I-4 820cc limit for real?
I'm just wondering if I need 2mm OS or 3mm OS.
I would expect nothing less.
Hope to see everyone at Homestead in A FEW WEEKS!!!!! :cheers:
Quote from: banzai1 on October 05, 2008, 07:46:36 PM
Time to build a 791 motor.......
815 is better :biggrin:
Quote from: banzai1 on December 12, 2008, 07:55:40 PM
To double post, but is the I-4 820cc limit for real?
I'm just wondering if I need 2mm OS or 3mm OS.
Limit is 820 CC for Liquid cooled 4 cylinder in Heavyweight Superbike.
2009 Rulebook (http://www.ccsracing.us/forms/2009/rules/2009%20asra-ccs%20rulebook.pdf)