Intentional or not? MotoGP

[Thorny]

There are rules that say leader has the right of way? That must be why Robbie Jensen wins so much, he is leading in to turn 1 then everybody follows the rules and no one tries to pass cuz' that is against the rules? Wow dude, try to enforce that retarded idea at the races.

[rotoboge]

Clean pass...
Rossi rules! ;D

[Racingxtc7]

Camera Angles, Who was where, who did what? We could all go back and forth til the end of time. I have only one last thing to add.

Any pass where someone ends up going off the race track is BAD pass!

Gibernau was in the lead, Rossi was making a pass and Gibernau wound up in the dirt.

This is not a demolition derby.

[r6_philly]

Camera Angles, Who was where, who did what? We could all go back and forth til the end of time. I have only one last thing to add.

Any pass where someone ends up going off the race track is BAD pass!

Gibernau was in the lead, Rossi was making a pass and Gibernau wound up in the dirt.

This is not a demolition derby.

thats still not true. so if I pass you, you get stood up, ran off the track on your own its a bad pass? What if I gave you 5 feet and you just misjudged?

Why are we judging things based on the outcome rather than what really happened?

How many people have been stuffed here before? how many crashed as a result? Why? because we back off when we get stuffed.

How many years have Sete been racing? If you want to tell me that he didn't know that Rossi was where Rossi was that is completely bull$#%$, if it is true Sete should be sent back to racing school for not being observant of his surroundings.

The fact is Rossi was where Rossi was, there is no reason why sete wouldn't know, hear, thought, guessed, heard that he is there, yet Sete did NOT alter his line in anyway.

There is no right a way in this world. The right a way needs to be respected by others to mean anything.

So if you are going down the highway and a truck tries to merge onto the highway. So you have the right a way, but would you gamble with your life that the truck will stop?

It is a moot point now whether or not the pass is a good one, I think what stands out to me clearly is that Sete is NOT really a great racer because he made a mistake by turning in tight still and had contact with Rossi.

It is the abilitly to deal with suprising situations that makes one great and not just good. Sete is a good racer, but not a great one as he made a really really bad decision under the circumstances and lost the race.

Who can you rely on in a race, in driving to work, in life? only yourself.

So Rossi could have made the dirtest move, but guess what, Sete doesn't have what it takes to win that race, he chose wrong. And if the situation is reversed, Rossi would have surely won the race.

Bash Rossi for a questionable move, sure, but whats more important is that Sete seemed to not posess what it takes to win more races and win championships, to deal with adversity, to be able to deal and work through difficult situations.

So it all looks good for Rossi once again. Sete is just going to be Vice champion of our times, sadly.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Any pass where someone ends up going off the race track is BAD pass!

I'll second that!  Hell, the best pass anyone ever made on me was done by Ed Key.  I didn't even have to change my line.  I'd left 6 inches of pavement between my knee and the rumble strip, and he damn well used it!  There was no contact, but he later apologized for making me lift my knee to make room for him.  I just laughed and told him he was a God....

[ecumike]

True... if I was being paid millions to win races, I couldn't say I wouldn't have tried the same thing.

[the_weggie_man]

Guess what....there isn't a person  in this discussion able to ride like either one of these guys so why don't we all just shut the f-ck up and watch the races.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[dylanfan53]

I'll second that!  Hell, the best pass anyone ever made on me was done by Ed Key.  I didn't even have to change my line.  I'd left 6 inches of pavement between my knee and the rumble strip, and he damn well used it!  

Thank you for not discussing the worst pass anyone ever made on you.   ;)

IMHO, Gordy and Mike have it right.  It was a shameful pass. From his demeanor in the post race interviews, I think even Rossi knew he had pulled a BS move.

R6, I'm trying to understand  your point, but I don't.  I don't see where SG pulled out of the turn so that it was his fault for running off.  Others have even said he leaned into it.

No one can defend against some bonehead plowing into you, intentionally (which I think this clearly was) or by lack of skill ( :-[ sorry K3)

I've always been a Rossi fan.  I have a great deal of respect for talent in any endeavor.  He just went down a few notches in my book.

Go Nicky.

[dylanfan53]

so why don't we all just shut the f-ck up and watch the races.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

Because it's either this or do my tax return. :( ;)

[EX#996]

Because it's either this or do my tax return. :( ;)

LOL !!!!!

I thought you were more organized than that.   ;)  Heck, I have mine figured out in January and all I have to do is wait for all the tax forms to come in so I can send them in.  (OK, so I'm a bit anal when it comes to finances).

Good luck and I hope your refund is larger than expected.

 ;)

[dylanfan53]

Refund?  If that were the case I'd have already filed and socked it away for tire money this year!
 :'(

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

How many people have been stuffed here before? how many crashed as a result? Why? because we back off when we get stuffed.

     I have crashed 4 times in my racing career since '96, 3 of those times I was run off the track, the only other time I had a heavily worn front tire that I should have replaced and I didn't which resulted in a crash while passing for 3rd in the Unlimited Superbike class at a CCS/NASB race in the late 90's. Last spring was the last time I crashed (hadn't crashed in 6 years) and I was physically forced to the edge of the track on a now bad line and no longer had room so I had to run off. This resulted in a wrist injury from the crash and prohibited me from being able to pull the clutch lever so I missed a few events. My complaint is the choice of where that person decided to pass me was very risky and I ultimately paid the price for his risk. Had there actually been adequate run-off area I would have easily returned to the track, but overgrowth and rough terrain 30 feet from the track surface doesn't provide that luxury. This in my opinion was an unnessasary risk on the 1st lap of a 9 lap race. What really ticks me off with this type of pass is that the racer getting stuffed by the excessive risk taker is the 1 that's going to pay the price in the event of a problem. I think it takes a much bigger set to stick the pass on the outside. With Sete protecting the inside it would have slowed his line, I believe Rossi could have had a chance had he taken the truely ballzy outside line instead of the 1 he chose.

     I agree with Don about the smurk Rossi had on his face toward the end of his interview, he looked like a little kid that just got away with something. I think many people on both sides of this debate are very curious what will be the result of this situation in future races. I also wonder how much of Sete's response at the interview was guided by Honda, he definately could have responded differently. I feel very confident had Sete not been racing with an injured shoulder Rossi wouldn't have even had a chance of winning that race. :)