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Intentional or not? MotoGP

Started by GSXR RACER MIKE, April 10, 2005, 12:54:41 PM

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TZDeSioux

Shinya Nakano finished 5th! Impressive!

OmniGLH

Kudos to Sete for being as professional as he was in the interview after getting nudged off the track.

Do I think the pass was fair?  Yes.  This is pro racing, $$ on the line, you gotta expect a few close calls.  When it comes down to that last corner, sometimes, you just gotta go "all in."  ;)

Was the pass shady?  Definitely.

If I were Rossi, and Sete was somebody at a local BHF weekend, would I expect Sete to have "heated" words with me after the race?  Absolutely.  Luckily, I wouldn't pull something like that... I'd have let Sete take the win.  But then it's also easy to say when I don't have big bucks on the line either.
Jim "Porcelain" Ptak

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QuoteThank you for not discussing the worst pass anyone ever made on you.   ;)

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r1owner

IMO, Sete took the wrong line.  He should have known Rossi would be wanting the inside.  I would have made damn sure he'd have to of passed me on the grass if he wanted that inside line.

He left the door open and Rossi "ran" through it.

am_#65_john_deere

there is no way that s.g didn't see, hear, know that rossi was there.
s.g tried to lay himself and his bike onto rossi.
they were both going for the win and no-one was giving up.
fair pass in my book.

skydiver19

It's ludicrous how many people are using the terms "leaned in on Rossi", "Gibernau HIT Rossi", blah, blah, blah...  Gibernau was deep into the turn, almost at full lean BEFORE Rossi even got to the turn!!!!  We're talking about tenths of seconds, but regardless, Gib was in the turn and committed BEFORE Rossi was there.  Period.  Do yourself a favor-- freeze the replay at the exact moment that contact was made.  Now cover up SG and see where Rossi's bike is pointing----- OFF THE TRACK!!!  At that speed and entry angle, Rossi could not make the turn.  Period.  He used SG as a berm, still struggled to save it, and kept running wide. I don't think he was trying to force SG off the track, it just took that long to get it back under control.

You can say "that's racing" all day long but that's crap.  That's not racing.  That was a guy who made a mistake and lost the lead with a couple turns to go and decided that he'd rather crash the both of them then be beaten.  It just worked out nicely for Rossi.

"Gibernau has been racing for years and should have expected Rossi to be there?"  More crap.  Rossi WASN'T there. Regardless, you can't expect that a guy is going to hit you.  To equate Rossi's move to a stuff pass is pretty ridiculous.  There's a difference between being where a guy wants to be and having him stand the bike up, and waiting till he gets there, colliding with him, then continuing to run wide.

If you support the Rossi move, that's cool. But don't try and justify it as racing.  Call a spade a spade and just say that anything goes if it gets you to the finish line first.  At least there's no BS to that.


Fat_Nate

QuoteIMO, Sete took the wrong line.  He should have known Rossi would be wanting the inside.  I would have made damn sure he'd have to of passed me on the grass if he wanted that inside line.

He left the door open and Rossi "ran" through it.

Well, might as well add my opinion . . .

The replay seems to show SG taking a very early entry into the turn -- I mean, WAY early.  He's set to apex at about the begining of the curbing -- if I recall right.  So he was very aggressively shutting the door on Rossi.  Rossi, it seems, was expecting SG to take his normal line . . . when SG took that very defensive line, Rossi got caught out.

I agree with whoever said that Rossi basically f'ed up/miscalculated.  Let us all be thankful that this wasn't the last race of the year with that pass deciding the championship!

rotoboge

QuoteIMO, Sete took the wrong line.  He should have known Rossi would be wanting the inside.  I would have made damn sure he'd have to of passed me on the grass if he wanted that inside line.

He left the door open and Rossi "ran" through it.

I agree with what you say and what I saw. Sete was just begging for a pass by Rossi... ;D