CCS vs WERA

[wvracer97]

Those more experienced than I, tell me WERA is a step up from CCS, in talent, I mean. I will see in the upcoming months, but until then...who cares!

I checked the lap times on the WERA site and they don't appear to be any different-- the best lap times and the variation of those lap times seem to be on par w/ CCS.

Personally I love the people at CCS, they have always bent over backwards for me and made things that were wrong right.  Now, they aren't perfect and do make mistakes and bad calls from time to time... but who doesn't?

[speedster_1]

BOTH allow novices to run 1000cc machines

That must be new for 05 cause that's the reason I started w/ CCS and not wera.  Wera did NOT have 1kcc AM classes in 04.

[Jeff]

Here's the difference...

CCS runs in the MidWest.  WERA does not...  This clearly makes CCS better.  :D

[Super Dave]

Good point, Jeff...

They bounced over to WERA West in California, right over the fly over states.

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

That must be new for 05 cause that's the reason I started w/ CCS and not wera.  Wera did NOT have 1kcc AM classes in 04.

The rulings were just changed.  I beleive it was due to WERA West allowing Novices to run literbikes in California.  That somehow carried over into the midwest in the form of (if we let one do it, then all must do it.)  For comic relief however, the name of the class will be A-SS  ;D As in A superstock...

[speedster_1]

The rulings were just changed.  I beleive it was due to WERA West allowing Novices to run literbikes in California.  That somehow carried over into the midwest in the form of (if we let one do it, then all must do it.)  For comic relief however, the name of the class will be A-SS  ;D As in A superstock...

 ;D  yeah I got first in the A-SS class!   ;D ;D

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

As I stated before, i've never run WERA.  I have run CCS, CMRA and GLRRA.  I've never gone to a racetrack and not made friends.  I've always found faster and slower racers, too.  I don't think you can go wrong entering a motorcycle race anywhere.
You'll hear things about this group or that group.  I heard the CMRA guys were rough riders, and that they hated Northerners.  Well, they rode just the same as everyone else I've raced, and every time I've gone to Hallett, the locals have bent over backwards to make my friends and I feel welcome.  Imagine groups of people coming over to our camp on saturday night with their coolers of beer, just to get to know us!
Seems like in this sport, it's all good! :D

[Super Dave]

I've raced with about everyone.

Most are accomodating: riders, crews, and organizational people.

However, there have been "unique" occasions within them all.

[WebCrush]

Here are some simple one's:

CCS runs more AMA tracks
WERA has a Formula 1 class

I'll be taking my first WERA plunge this year.

Actually, looks like WERA has more AMA tracks.  CCS only has VIR, Daytona, Road America, and Barber.

Wera has Atlanta, Barber, VIR, Ohio, and Fontana.

CCS also has UNGP which I believe is a match for F1.

[xseal]

One silly thing that matters to me, WERA SS rules forbid double bubble wind screens -- something 200 lb'rs like me need to get out of the wind. They also forbid swamping out the master cylinder (like, for a radial Brembo), which is one of the best saftey/performance upgrades I've ever made (pretty inexpensive too).

But, I've never been able to tell the difference b/t CCS and WERA racer at a track day, excepting maybe some stickers.

[Eric Kelcher]

i always figured they were kind of the same...what about price wise and contingency wise...still both pretty much the same?

Price had always been pretty similar but here are the break downs.

CCS does grids by date of entry, WERA does grids by points in class. So if you do the whole season it is pretty much a wash as WERA gives a disount for pre entry, but if you only do a few races you move further back on the grid with WERA but with a pre entry to CCS event will give you same grid spot regardless, does that make sense? IE you can only run some of the races you pre enter for only those you are going to have a good grid position for those races with CCS with WERA you will be in the back. If you run the whole season and preenter you get the good grid positions with CCS and WERA you get your earned grid spot. If you post enter then WERA still gives you your earned grid position but you pay more CCSyou don't pay more but you don't get as good a grid position.

Here is prices

License
CCS $110 runs calender year (63 races at 21 venues)
WERA $100 runs 12 months (35 races at 17 venues)
 
transponder fees
CCS none included in entry
WERA $60 per event or must purcahse and maintain own unit $330

Sprint races
CCS 70, 50, 35 (Unlimited GP 70 with $1000 cash purse)
WERA 60(70 post entry), 50, 40 (no purse races)

50 mile race (approx each org runs them differnt)
CCS GT race 70 with $505 cert purse
WERA 55 (65 post entry) purse is %50 of entry fees for class

Practice day
CCS AKA Lockhart Phillips Sport rider day $75 for CCS license rider
WERA (only run at their natioanal events) $90 ($100 post entry)



So if you pre enter for all the CCS/WERA races you could do on a SS legal GSXR750 at a CCS and a WERA weekend you would have. CCS License, GTO(guaranteed purse), HSS, HSB, USS, USB (WERA does not have a corresponding class), UGP($1000 purse)
WERA License, transponder, HS2(no guaranteed purse), BSS, BSB, ASS, F1

CCS 110, 70, 70, 50, 35, 35, 70 = 440 (or 405 for same classes as WERA or 370 for same number of purse classes, ie drop UGP and run ULSB)
WERA 100, 60, 55, 60, 50, 40, 40 = 405

Post-entry in the same classes would be
CCS 110, 70, 70, 50, 35, 35, 70 =440(or 405 for same classes as WERA or 370 for same number of purse classes, ie drop UGP and run ULSB)
WERA 100, 60, 65, 70, 50, 40, 40 = 425


So price is really about the same for either group just venues and race classes would be the determining factor on a purely mathematical standpoint.

Contingency really comes down to the product you are taking about; CCS has had the largest program in the country with the most payout, but you would need to check each for the products you are using.

These are 2004 programs

CCS

WERA

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

Ass I said, there are subtle differences between class rulings and such.  

The Double Bubble windscreen has been debated time and again, the main reason is that it essentially changes the aerodynamics of a stock machine, there fore goe against SS rules.  Now when it comes to the SV650, I know most orgs were originally lax about bodywork because of availability, they allowed different bodies to be used.. (It was pretty cool sometimes to see the grids with everything from 916/GSXR/TL/RC? and even Aprillia GP bodies).