CCS vs WERA

[TrackBrat]

Ahhh....the CCS vs WERA topic is a classic discussion. In my opinion, both have their perks.  I have friends in both organizations. BUT,  (being the cornerworker I am) I feel as if the riders are "safer" with CCS.  As far as who is faster,  it has nothing to do with what group you run with. HELLO!!  A person's talent is his/her own. I hear people talk about how CCS's tech rules are so much "more" than WERA's, that's self explanatory.  And I may be pushing the envelope here but who cares,  Cornerworkers in (at least my region) are trained prior to manning a corner on their own.  At WERA races, They'll give a set of flags to someone who doesn't know what a bike is and send them to a corner by themselves.  Been there, done that.  Makes me nervous.  Sorry, but that is my opinion.

[BC61]

50 mile race (approx each org runs them differnt)
CCS GT race 70 with $505 cert purse
WERA 55 (65 post entry) purse is %50 of entry fees for class
 

WERA pays CASH! :D

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

     Eric, I thought I was one of the front runners in extensive responses, now out of the blue you come up from mid-pack and are competing for the position. :o


     With that last post your definately getting contingency and purse payout, a little bit more of that and your gonna be fighting for the posting podium! ;D ;)

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

I feel as if the riders are "safer" with CCS.  As far as who is faster,  it has nothing to do with what group you run with. HELLO!!  A person's talent is his/her own. I hear people talk about how CCS's tech rules are so much "more" than WERA's, that's self explanatory.  And I may be pushing the envelope here but who cares,  Cornerworkers in (at least my region) are trained prior to manning a corner on their own.  At WERA races, They'll give a set of flags to someone who doesn't know what a bike is and send them to a corner by themselves.  Been there, done that.  Makes me nervous.  Sorry, but that is my opinion.

Ok that's a fair statement, now I will challenge you to substantiate it.  I have raced both and was shocked that the CCS tech official took one look at my WERA sticker and made the following comment: "You race WERA, then I know this thing is safety wired all over the place."  As well I have been to a safety meeting pre-race with cornerworkers.  I found nothing that proves WERA trains their cornerworkers any differently than CCS.  Matter of factly, every WERA race I have attended, there is a VERY lengthy speech given from the race director (usually Sublet) on the flag procedure, and a speech from the tower official regarding green flag start and finish, as well as black flag or meatball notification.  Also, I distinctly remember Gingerman's race at end of the year held a 10 minute meeting pre-race.  WERA meetings are 20 minutes bare minimum.  In several tracks, WERA used the same cornerworkers.  As well,  Sean and Evelyn refused to run a certain facility due to one (1) major safety concern despite 2 years of nagging and whining from racers.  I feel no more or less safer at a WERA race than a CCS race.

What region and group of cornerworkers are you speaking for?  

[TrackBrat]

Southeast Region....I also work WERA events too on occasion.  This meeting you are speaking of sounds like the riders meeting. Cornerworkers are usually on their way to the turns by then. Don't get me wrong, we all want the same end result. I remember when WERA recruited people at Roebling Road.  Quick rundown on what flags meant and off on their own they went. I also remember a race where a corner worker and rider were extremely injured and needed a medic but we only had one. "Can it wait for three more laps?" (That was the next radio transmission from the tower.)
 CCS puts at least one experienced worker with the "green" one. I know I have trained more workers than I can count.  And concerning tech, I am shocked too.  I'm always hearing riders bitch about how strict CCS is.
But, that's my 2 cents.  I've got well over a decade of history with both groups and both have their pros and cons. And yeah, WERA does pay more cash. ;)

[Eric Kelcher]

WERA pays CASH! :D

Yes Bill WERA pays cash in their "GT" series but Bill I just ran the numbers average purse $370.63(1868 entries in 21 events of 6 purse classes each times $25 equals 1868/(21*6)*25) so there is ~$130 more up for grabs each weekend that is good for racing. plus I noticed there were 27  races that had 5 or fewer racers in the race which means that the purse is almost non existant for even the winner.

I corrected my numbers to reflect the actual purse breakdown as I was pointed to the proper place to find the correct figures for WERA Solo purses.

[BC61]

I just like the fact that I can spend cash anyway I like.

WERA's system isn't so cut and dry when it come to purses for the solo events. They pay $30 per entry to the purse. Their payout depends on number of entries. They pay what the calss supports. In your five rider example with a total purse of $150 the payout would be ~ 1st $75, 2nd 50 and 3rd 25. A race with forty plus riders will have a purse of $1200 or more paying ten places deep with about $200+ to the winner, fith place will payout ~$100. Not bad if you are a front runner in multiple classes.

As a novice I earned a big portion of those purses. I prefer walking away with cash in hand at the end of the day.

[Super_KC124]

Hey, Eric. Did you include the cost of the transponder fee in your WERA total?

[251am]

  Cash, does WERA pay cash to Novices as well?

 I've been haggling for almost a year with Fort Worth just for some licensing and cancellation credits!!! If WERA's office protocols are more professional it is worth checking out.  

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

Novices and Experts both earn cash in Solo 20's..

The races are essentially a 20 lap dash for cash in the following divisions:

Heavyweight 750+
Middleweight 600
Lightweight - 599 and under

About 1/2 the riders use the Solo 20's as a prep for Sunday's sprints. If there are time constraints or the track runs long lap times, they shorten the race to 16 laps.