GREED!

[OmniGLH]

The stuff ain't cheap.

2 hints.

1)  Try going to an International dealer next time for the fuel and oil filters.  The 6.0 PSD is the same thing as the current T444E sold in medium-duty International trucks.  I think there is a dealer in Rockford... if not, there is Freund International, right down the road from me here in Huntley.

2)  You might also want to see if you can get the stuff from Hypermax Engineering.  There is a chance they may have it for less than the stealership.  http://www.hypermaxdiesel.com/  They're also right near me in Gilberts.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

     Thanks for the suggestions, I appreciate it.

     I wasn't really expecting having to pay 6x what I had for the same 3 filters on my 7.3L Diesel. I was both mad and disappointed at the same time. Being that I am in manufacturing I see stuff like this and it just pisses me off because their just shooting themselves in the foot by doing stuff like this. Overpricing expenses on your product will drive people away from U.S. products right to the foreign competition waiting in the wings ready to take in new customers. Way to go Ford. >:(

[Super Dave]

 The 6.0 PSD is the same thing as the current T444E sold in medium-duty International trucks.

Don't know about that.

444 refers to engine size...  444ci is 7.3 liters....  The previous motor.  There are things, like water pumps and all, that are completely different between them.  

I don't know how the change in Ford's International 6.0 is in production on the International line.

Chevy...Isuzu...

While we're on the topic of the global economy...

Anyone ever try to buy things that are not made in China?  I guess I'm struggling with this one lately.  I've noticed that I've lived in the United States for all my life.  I think it's been pretty good.  

I have kids.  

I grew up with legos and tinker toys and stuff.  

They have legos, but then there are these "Built To Rule" toys and "Mega Blocks" things....  They are made in China, and they just plain suck.  I don't think legos are made in the US...are they, but not China.

It's to a point that the boys and I look at toys and figure out where they come from...if they are from China...well, they aren't going to last.  Why spend the money?

[Super Dave]

And is the availability of those parts based in part on greed or volume?

How many 7.3 PSD"s are in use from the 94.5 era on....

Now 6.0 PSD's?

Big difference.

[Mark Bernard]

BTW Ever try Manley Ford in Belevedere?

It's spelled "B E L V I D E R E"!

I ought to know, I was born there.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

And is the availability of those parts based in part on greed or volume?

How many 7.3 PSD"s are in use from the 94.5 era on....

Now 6.0 PSD's?

Big difference.

     I had considered this myself Dave, but if you look at the oil filter for example it's just a drop in paper filter element without any metal at all, the cost to produce that thing would be far cheaper than the metal screw on filters. The fuel filter is the same way, just the element, you no longer replace the fancy looking plastic assembly on top of it everytime.

     The cost savings of producing a paper element only style cartridge should have easily offset the cost savings involved in producing the more expensive metal screw on oil filter and fancy plastic top to the fuel filter on the 7.3L engines. The other issue is with new tooling costs, but with the quantity of these engines that are produced the new tooling would have been paid for easily in the 1st 1 or 2 years of production (all while generating a profit the whole time).

It's to a point that the boys and I look at toys and figure out where they come from...if they are from China...well, they aren't going to last.  Why spend the money?

     The one thing that I was glad to see was that the fuel filter was a standard Motorcraft filter and it was indeed made in the U.S.A., that helped to ease the pain a little bit. The oil filter was made in Germany, better than it coming from China any day.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

It's spelled "B E L V I D E R E"!

I ought to know, I was born there.

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[the_weggie_man]

I have an '03  F-250 6.0 ltr.

15K on a fuel filter? I'll check but that seems a little soon to me.  I'm changing mine at 28K next week. I haven't had any problems. Also, why are you changing air filter at 15K? That should go 30K with no problem if not more.

Buy the K&N air filter, it's life time.

[Eric Kelcher]

Before going the K&N route I would do some research the AFe seems to be better in most tests for total dirt deposited and size of dirt deposited. The K&N on bikes I have seen rob 3-4 hp on a 750.I would avoid the K&N at this point.(even though I am a friend of N) as there are better products even OEM is better in most cases

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

I have an '03  F-250 6.0 ltr.

15K on a fuel filter? I'll check but that seems a little soon to me.  I'm changing mine at 28K next week. I haven't had any problems. Also, why are you changing air filter at 15K? That should go 30K with no problem if not more.

Buy the K&N air filter, it's life time.

     My truck has 36,000 miles on it and since I bought it from a dealer I have no idea what maintenance, if any, has been performed on the vehicle. Since air filters are generally dirt cheap I didn't even think twice about not replacing it at the same time as the other filters, till I heard the price. You might want to take a look at that thing, it's a monster, I don't know if K&N has one for that.

     The recommended replacement schedule for the fuel filter on the Ford Diesels is 15,000 miles. Included in the 'kit' for the fuel filter is also a water filter for the fuel as well. If your changing it yourself as I did, the water separator is located along the frame rail under the drivers seat. The fuel filter is the smaller round black plastic screw on cap located in the top-middle-front of the engine. The larger similar cap is the oil filter and is a drop in cartridge as well. Either of those filters is very quick and easy to replace, the water filter is a little trickier since it's under the truck and horizontally mounted. If you do the water filter it's going to spill 2 or 3 cups of diesel fuel as you unscrew it, that filter also is in there fairly firm so you have to tug on it to remove it.

     The reason I am doing this is because I have had a problem with the engine acting like it's starving for fuel when I accelerate hard, like when merging on the interstate. Changing the fuel/water filter combo seems to have solved the problem. My stepdad says most likely it was the water filter that was doing it, either way it seems like it's fixed. :)

[Shingle_Monkey]

I dont know how ford dealerships work

At the chevy stealership that I worked at if the part cost us 100.00 from chevolet, we charged the walk in customer 170.00 for it, other repair shops would pay 140.00 for the part.

This is every dealership not just ours.

Call them and tell them you are a new repair shop and you would like to order some parts from them and your parts jocky will be by to pick them up and pay with cash....could save you 30%

[STT-GUY]

Man they are just bending you recreational diesel guys over!!

We have a Renegade Toterhome on a F112 Freightliner Chassis and a C-12 Caterpiller (450 HP 1700 ftlb torque) and to get an oil change and chassis lube with 2 fuel filters I pay.................. $139 for Rotella or DeVac oil. And the thing takes enough oil to fill a kids wading pool. Air filters are $40 -$50 but they are the size of a house.

What so much for all of your guy's stuff seems like a big ass rip-off to me.