GREED!

[Super Dave]

Volume?

How many miles does a Cat motor get on it while in service with a proper company that's hauling freight?  200k miles a year?  Everything gets somewhere by freight.  Probably a lot more air filters being sold for Cat's other motors than the Power Strokes, little Cummins, and the Duramax's.

[BERZERKER]

your experience is EXACTLY why a bought a Dodge with the Cummins diesel. Sure it's not a true "crew" cab and the interior is nowhere near the quality/layout that the F150s have, but it has a industrial diesel engine that is far superior to the PSD.

[STT-GUY]

Volume?

How many miles does a Cat motor get on it while in service with a proper company that's hauling freight?  200k miles a year?  Everything gets somewhere by freight.  Probably a lot more air filters being sold for Cat's other motors than the Power Strokes, little Cummins, and the Duramax's.

Hey,

My phones on, you can call any time.... ;)

[Sunny]

So since I absolutely needed to get the fuel filter I figured I would have to go to the Ford dealership and pay the higher price, while I'm there I figured I might as well get all 3 filters I need. The parts guy at Ford goes and gets everything and returns and asks me "Are you SURE you need all 3 of these filters?", I asked him why and he said that they were kind of expensive. I previously have purchased all of these items from the auto parts store for my 7.3L Diesel and it would cost about $40 out the door, so I figured they would gouge me like $50 to $60 from the dealership. Beyond that the auto manufacturers are trying to go to a 'locked hood' or 'shielded engine' policy that would prohibit owners from having access to their engine so the dealerships would have to perform ALL service to the vehicle, just another way to charge inflated prices.

     So the parts guy tells me that out the door the 3 filters I want (fuel, air, & oil) would cost me $250!  :o OMG, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! >:( He goes on to show me that the air filter is a big molded plasic unit like some semi's have, the oil filter is no longer a quick spin on type - but instead a cartridge, and the fuel filter is no longer a quick spin on type either - it's now a 2 filter cartridge 'kit'. After seeing the fuel filter kit I notice that the instructions boldly say that those items are patented and are to be exclusively sold by Ford, no wonder they weren't available at the auto parts store.

     From what I have heard Trucks and SUV's are some of the highest profit margin vehicles sold in mass quantity today. I'm extremely disappointed in the GREED the auto manufacturers are showing in making 'wear items' such as these much more elaborate and unneccesarily expensive all in the name of screwing us, the customer! >:(

Dealerships don't really make money on selling new vehicles (not enough to survive).  They make their living on parts and service.............  Doesn't matter which manufacturers you would like to talk about (American/European/Japanese/Korean).

Yes, trucks and SUVs generate more profits for the auto makers in general.

Greedy is what makes rich richer.............


Why don't you stick with your 7.3L?  Is there something wrong with the '02 F-250, or you simply need something bigger?

[Sunny]

Buy a foreign car next time, and change the oil every 30k miles  ;D :P

What kind of car are you talking about here?  I am not aware of any car which is recommend to run A 30k oil change interval.  This is a sure way to void any warranty that comes with the car...............

[Sunny]

Yes Rob it was Rock River Ford, the only Ford dealer in Rockford.

The prices from Ford without tax were:

Oil Filter Kit ?$41
Fuel Filter ??$90
Air Filter ???$ 105!

Even going with the products you found it's still going to run about $185 out the door, for FILTERS! Then I still have to buy 15 quarts of oil after that which will push it up to around $210 for me doing all the work of changing the 3 filters and doing the oil change. Outragous! Still pissed! >:(

I believe in general that any diesel vehicle will cost you more than any gasoline vehicle in oil/filters change (even a VW TDI).  Just part of the price to pay for better mileage I guess.  

Just pray that you'll never have to rebuild a diesel.  It'll cost you an arm and a leg (way higher than the gasoline engine).

[STT-GUY]

I believe in general that any diesel vehicle will cost you more than any gasoline vehicle in oil/filters change (even a VW TDI).  Just part of the price to pay for better mileage I guess.  

Just pray that you'll never have to rebuild a diesel.  It'll cost you an arm and a leg (way higher than the gasoline engine).

Mine has a 500,000 mile warranty, so i think I'm safe on the rebuild thing...

[Sunny]

Mine has a 500,000 mile warranty, so i think I'm safe on the rebuild thing...

Happy New Year Monte and Bonnie!

Cool! I believe an industrial diesel like yours is built to last at least 1M mile. Hopefully no rebuild is required before you hit that.

[Super Dave]

PSD not industrial?

Well, I figure at the 300k mark, I'll look at replacing the injector pump.

Not a reason why I won't last above 500k.

And mine is older.

Cost?

I have to pull a trailer.

I doubled my mileage, at least, compared to my gas motor alone.

The gas motor was always trying to catch up.  I was physically hot.  I mean, when you got out to pump gas, it was not a place you wanted to be.

Diesel...it really could care less.  I could go to a 28 foot trailer no problem.

Mainentance?  Well, yeah it takes more oil.  Oils pretty cheap.  

Yeah, the oil filter is more expensive, but air filters and all can be kind of similar.

I saved $1800 by having the diesel the first year just because of fuel savings.

Show me where they are bad.

Greed...

Isn't this the start of all this?

Someone go make an engine, market it, continuing R&D, warranty, upgrades, support.

The part is a part made out of a couple of things.  Make that yourself out of whatever parts you feel make up the whole.  You'll have a nice air filter.

But who's going to stock the part, who's going to order it, who will actually call you when it's in...

Do I need to go on?

What's your job?

Your toola have any costs?  Any education?  How about insurance?

Folks, the economy is here to bear what you want.

Anyone can make something cheaper, but will it fit the exact needs and changes?

Yeah, you can buy one kind of tire for X dollars, but another will cost less.

Is that the only quality we're looking for?  No, traction, durability, etc.

Rich get richer?

Tell me the parts guy is rich...

How about the UPS guy.

Yeah, maybe some stock holders...

Anyone got a 401k?  You might be one of them.

It's really an intertwined circle.  

[STT-GUY]

PSD not industrial?

Well, I figure at the 300k mark, I'll look at replacing the injector pump.

Not a reason why I won't last above 500k.

And mine is older.

Cost?

I have to pull a trailer.

I doubled my mileage, at least, compared to my gas motor alone.

The gas motor was always trying to catch up.  I was physically hot.  I mean, when you got out to pump gas, it was not a place you wanted to be.

Diesel...it really could care less.  I could go to a 28 foot trailer no problem.

Mainentance?  Well, yeah it takes more oil.  Oils pretty cheap.  

Yeah, the oil filter is more expensive, but air filters and all can be kind of similar.

I saved $1800 by having the diesel the first year just because of fuel savings.

Show me where they are bad.

Greed...

Isn't this the start of all this?

Someone go make an engine, market it, continuing R&D, warranty, upgrades, support.

The part is a part made out of a couple of things.  Make that yourself out of whatever parts you feel make up the whole.  You'll have a nice air filter.

But who's going to stock the part, who's going to order it, who will actually call you when it's in...

Do I need to go on?

What's your job?

Your toola have any costs?  Any education?  How about insurance?

Folks, the economy is here to bear what you want.

Anyone can make something cheaper, but will it fit the exact needs and changes?

Yeah, you can buy one kind of tire for X dollars, but another will cost less.

Is that the only quality we're looking for?  No, traction, durability, etc.

Rich get richer?

Tell me the parts guy is rich...

How about the UPS guy.

Yeah, maybe some stock holders...

Anyone got a 401k?  You might be one of them.

It's really an intertwined circle.  

I WANT MY SHIRT!!

[Sunny]

Dave, I am not sure if you are directing some of the above to me, but here are my 2 cents...........


Industrial.......not sure what the standard is (), but I am just pointing out a diesel say for a semi is built to last longer than a PSD in a Ford truck (design criteria/requirement)...........

I said the basic maintenance (oil/filters) may cost more for a diesel, but that's just part of the price to pay for better mileage.  If you want a truck and need to pull something, there is no doubt that a diesel is a better if not best engine/powertrain choice.

I didn't say nor think diesel is bad at all.  I am just saying that a diesel engine/powertran will cost a lot to rebuild (and cost more to begin with; initial investment).

Greed..........is the name of the game for those in business.  No one makes anything for free, especially not the big corporation (the rich).

Rich does get richer.  It's a fact, not a myth.  No, parts guy isn't the rich I am talking about here (not even close to being called rich at all).  I am talking about the manufacturers (big scale)/dealership owners (smaller scale) in this case.

[Super Dave]

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