Autobahn Country Club in Joliet

[Chef]

GOOD PUB FOR THE ACC!!!

can we go?, I wanna go, it's gonna definately be the best 30 mins that I've ever driven!!!

 ;D

[Super Dave]

But I disagree with you on how expensive hotels will be.  If a race date happened to fall on the same dates as a major event at Chicagoland Speedway or the Route 66 dragstrip, you may be right. Since those facilities only attract a total of 3 or 4 major events per year between them, it's not likely that a conflict would result.  In searching for camping info on the area, the only campgrounds in the immediate area seem to be geared toward serving the National events at the oval track and the dragstrip.  We may have to do a little research to find all the options out there.  

LOL, isn't this an odd thread...

First, Blackhawk is booked very early, even during the weekedays.  Better have your dates in early.  I won't say how early.

Hotels...

Ok, so we've "designated" the area as being racer friendly.  Certain areas can have special taxes placed on things like hotels to maintain the area.  If the tracks are allowed to operate, and they are allowed to operate with no camping, it might be in a community effort to get people to use the local hotels that generate money for the local municipal tax base.  Remember, things like this are supposed to be money makers.

How would you get an area approved for making loud noises with traffic...tell the local representatives that everyone is going to bring their own food and camp in tents?  It's pretty simple.  You just gotta read through the blue sky.

It's a little different when it's something that has been there for years and years and years.

[ekraft84]

Maybe I just don't get it ........

Why is it that the administrator of the WERA board should answer questions from a WERA board member on the CCS board as to whether or not WERA has had any luck booking race dates at Gingerman? ???  

For the record, I'm a CCS board member and have questioned about CCS getting Gingerman as well.

[Old808]

For the record, I'm a CCS board member and have questioned about CCS getting Gingerman as well.

I wouldn't worry about it.  Some people here seem to think one can only be affiliated with one or the other, not both.  (Not a shot at you, Rick)

[Super Dave]

Yeah, I'm there...

I'm neither, nor, and, or, and but...  

I race.  Where and when is based on opportunities and programs, not whether it's AHRMA, CCS, etc.  That might go with my program, which is based on opportunities.

And just for reference....

When WERA was running some stuff at Grattan for regionals, 2002 or 2003, I can't remember, they had it scheduled on top of CCS events at Gingerman.  I know that the CCS event was held on the same date the prior year.  

Honestly, there are only so many racers, and so much money that we have as a whole.  Kind of ridiculous to schedule things on top of each other like that.  It just divides any opportunity for each organization to break even, as there's just not a lot of money in this.

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

Yeah, I'm there...


And just for reference....

When WERA was running some stuff at Grattan for regionals, 2002 or 2003, I can't remember, they had it scheduled on top of CCS events at Gingerman.  I know that the CCS event was held on the same date the prior year.  

Honestly, there are only so many racers, and so much money that we have as a whole.  Kind of ridiculous to schedule things on top of each other like that.  It just divides any opportunity for each organization to break even, as there's just not a lot of money in this.

Dave - WERA only has a limited amount of time that they can schedule races.  Similar to CCS they have to make a schedule based upon the tracks availability as well as the availability of officials.  I'm certain the Sean takes this into account when scheduling races, but there some unavoidable issues.  Just like the current schedule has us racing during an AMA event.  Overrall the buisness has to be run, splitting a weekend in the same state between to orgs isn't that big of a matter.  Being that I plan to chase a chamionship in both orgs next season, I can see where I will have to make a decision at some point on which weekend to go to, but I'll pray it isn't a weekend where WERA runs Autobahn and CCS runs Putnam.

[r1owner]

I'll pray it isn't a weekend where WERA runs Autobahn and CCS runs Putnam.

CCS is running Putnam this year?

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

It has not been added to the schedule, nor has it been confirmed.  I should have made a speculatory designation on Putnam before I hit send.

Let's just say I hope that the talks went well and there is a chance. ;D

[Super Dave]

Dave - WERA only has a limited amount of time that they can schedule races.  Similar to CCS they have to make a schedule based upon the tracks availability as well as the availability of officials.

Track availability would always be the first issue.

Name all the racing organizations for four and two wheels that race on road courses.  Now add all the organizations for four and two wheels that to track work on road courses.  

Still...

Two tracks 90 miles apart.

With a population of racers nationally and regionally.

I'm sure that both venues were losses for each org.  Certainly, if they were spaced someway, well...

Gateway was up against Road America for the AMA National one year.  Wasn't many people at Gateway.  Not that most of the riders were racing at the AMA national, but...

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

For one the majority of the Gateway/Gingerman crowd is made up of ex-GLRRA racers.  They ran that series with only those two tracks the last few years they were in buisness.  Those racers went to either WERA or CCS based upon which side of the state that they lived on, ot they chose to race both.  The percentage of racers that run both series is small.  I can guarntee that the decision to run one track is made 95% on WERA's available schedule.  There are more regions than one, and only so many officials.  That weekend just happened to get scheduled.  I think it goes without saying that WERA schedules their races with little regard to where CCS is racing that weekend.  I just don't beleive that percentage of racers that race both orgs is large enought to effect the outcome.  

[ekraft84]

I wish someone would prove me wrong and just get both Gingerman and Grattan and watch the grids go up.

[Hyperdyne_Racing]

What do you mean Eddie?  Running both tracks in the same series?  

WERA used to run both, as well I beleive CCS did as well, now it seems to be one or the other.