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Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« on: August 08, 2004, 05:59:21 am »
Ok, first I was reading my rule book today and since it has been a while since I raced I think I missed something... is it really legal to mill a deck or head in supersport racing?  If so, I guess I've found some of my missing 20hp  ;D  I love doing all my own work including motor rebuilds, but I don't have the machinery to properly mill anything so I would appreciate some recommendations.  I live in Jacksonville so somebody between Atlanta and Miami would be optimal.  I had Dick Suarez at Full Spectrum do work on my F2 in '94, but it was very basic.  My 600rr currently dynos at 112, which is a little dissapointing.  Hopefully, this will still be legal for FUSA and AMA pro as I hope to do some of those events next year.
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2004, 10:03:44 am »
Larry, you're disappointed with 112HP?




Yes, milling is legal in CCS supersport classes.

Dick still does good work, as far as I know.
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2004, 01:54:25 pm »
Yeah I'm leaning towards Full Spectrum, just curious as to the options out there for tuners.  On another note, I woneder if Mr. Suarez will be happy with "thingy"... those censor programs can be a little ridiculous :D
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2004, 01:59:15 pm »
If you were up this way, I'd do http://4and6.com ...You could do it regardless, but if you're gonna stay down that way...well, D1ck might be your best bet.
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2004, 02:02:55 pm »
As to being dissapointed w/ 112 hp, it's a matter of efficiency.  I am very meticulous in preparing a bike so I expect great things... 112 should be attainable out of the box with a slip on and no power commander.  More power is always good and I certainly spend plenty of time on setup and suspension to get it to the pavement.  I look at the Ten Kate bike and that beast has a claimed 135hp... from a super sport 600!  Now even taking off for some fudging it probably still makes 128-130.  I think 120 hp on pump gas (or 123 on MR-9) is a very reasonable goal.  It certainly helps in the unlimited GP !
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2004, 02:21:06 pm »
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AI look at the Ten Kate bike and that beast has a claimed 135hp... from a super sport 600!


That's World Supersport.  Not the same rules at all when compared to AMA or CCS Supersport...WSS is more like Superbike with "stock parts".
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2004, 04:04:30 pm »
 Larry,
let me know what you come up with, I will be doing some motorwork to my RR for next year, curious how it goes. Is that 113hp just with a slip-on?


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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2004, 07:45:21 pm »
In current form the bike has an Arata full titanium system, a custom mapped PC III usb, redline 30W synthentic oil, an emgo "hi-flow" filter, and a 520 chain conversion. Dynos differ, but the stock bike curves they had from earlier in the week seemed pretty good, so I'm confident it was pretty accurate.  I know a few tricks that could maybe get 3HP and I think the MR-9 is worth 2-3, plus whatever milling the deck nets... my guess is 3-4.  I think 8 hp is there and that would get me to 120, which is where I want to be.  I'll post it when I get the results.
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2004, 07:17:36 pm »
  120hp would be sweet,  Now if I can get mine to go on a diet ;) I got a local working on a alluminum subframe. We'll see how that goes.


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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2004, 01:28:15 pm »
Yeah, you're right stumpy, this bike is PORTLY.  I felt like I had been beaten by a gorilla after my first weekend of racing.  I have taken off everything I could think of and used wave rotors (which, by the way, actually ADD .6 of a lb to the front... offset by a loss of .7 in the back for a WHOPPING .1 of a lb ??? ) Let me know how that subframe works out, I thought about the same thing and decided it would be too much of a pain.  I thought about buying some titanium motor bolts, etc, but when I saw the price I decided to take the training up a notch and loose a few pounds.  So far I'm down to 175, 165 is my goal.  Between the money I save on food and not buying titanium I may even be able to afford tires  :)
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2004, 06:33:18 am »
gee stump  i thought u had 4and2 build u a 130hp  bike allready?

whats it going to be next year 140?
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Re: Deck / Head Milling HELP !
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2004, 01:25:13 pm »
 ;D Funny Steve-o..Wasn't it you that put a 1000 engine in your 750??? How's that going?


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