How many Dunlops....

[EX#996]

Do you race on Dunlops? If not then you must be the typical internet idiot that feels what you have to say must be important or is that impotent ? in your case.

This comment wasn't necessary.  He is entitled to his opinion just like everyone else.  

Based on your statement above just because someone does not race Dunlops, it makes you an idiot.  How many of your customers run Michelin's?  I know of one for sure.....

Dawn

[Super Dave]

Based on your statement above just because someone does not race Dunlops, it makes you an idiot.  How many of your customers run Michelin's?  I know of one for sure.....

Ok, I race on Michelin's.

But the statement above DOES have merit.

First, Dunlop has some failures at AMA events.  Recognize that more riders at AMA events use Dunlops.  This includes the teams that get them supplied and the teams that have to buy them.  So, we can recognize that there many, many, many Dunlop tires in use at AMA nationals.  Given that, a failure happens, now all of them are bad.  That is ridiculous to consider that the Dunlop tires are bad.

One can also recognize that the user that had the failure was a rider that could tax the tire.  Like Rob said, this is racing.  

As for Bridgestone/Firestone on cars, well, these were tires for street use under street conditions...not closed course high load, high speed competition.

Years ago, tires weren't so good.

Now they are better.

I'm a Michelin racer, and I don't see Dunlop's as "non-adequate".  

[Dawn]

I agree with you Dave...

However Jim's statement:

If not then you must be the typical internet idiot that feels what you have to say must be important or is that impotent ? in your case.

... was unconstructive in this conversation and was belittling and inciteful.

Dawn

[spyderchick]

And Kudos to Dan for showing his Zen-like patience. :D

[cornercamping]

My beef is that all tire manufacturers need to step up and design better tires, specifically Dunlop because everyone is using them in the AMA. Tires blowing up because of failure is unacceptable by any manufacturer.  Again, someone answer why MotoGP spec. tires aren't blowing up like this, or at the regular interval of the Dunlops.  After the Spies incident at Road Atlanta, the AMA should have stepped up and said wait a second.  Remember a few riders protesting Daytona.  Why not do the same and go after Dunlop.  The reason I keep referring to Dunlop is that all the teams are using the tires.   Common sense tells you that if a tire can't hold up to the abuse, don't use it.  But they still are.  Sure, the bikes are putting out 200 HP, and the riders are thousandths of a second of lap record every lap, but shouldn't those tire manufacturers be putting out tires that are made for that?   It's all down to the safety factor.  Kinda like helmets.  Everyone wears an Arai because they know it's the best, but some still wear cheaper brands just because they are free.  That's just crazy.  I'd pay full retail for something before I take some garbage for free just because I didn't have to pay for it.  

When your ass is on the line, literally, are you going to accept ANY excuses from ANYONE as to why your saftey is jeopordized?

"You ride harder than the tire can handle."   Is that excuse justifible to the rider laying in the hospital?

That's the bottom line. If you have the skill and talent to tax a tire to that extreme, and ride a bike at that level, would you accept the statement "You ride harder than our tire can handle" as to why your laying in a hospital bed?  Not acceptable from any manfacturer.  If the tire can't hold up, don't use it, and anyone "overlooking" or allowing that as acceptable is just negligent.

I understand that racing is dangerous.  But, all we can do because we choose to race, is do everything possible to prevent incident and keep ourselves safe.  

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Interesting info on this subject in the "By The Numbers" section of Roadracing World...

[G 97]

Do you race on Dunlops? If not then you must be the typical internet idiot that feels what you have to say must be important or is that impotent ? in your case.

   Good one    
 
 
 
 
*WAIVER*  I am not trying to involved with trash talking.  I am just stating the above referenced comment was a homerun *END WAIVER*
 
 
  

[cornercamping]

 ::)

[251am]

 My beef is that "someone" posted free tires to give away, in the classifieds I believe, and has not followed through on the committment. If you can't follow through on the offer, say so, or go back to the WERA boards if they'll have you.

  I really couldn't give a rat's behind on not following through on giving something away, for free. However, if you don't have the cajones to come on out and say, " I already gave the tires away to...", scram. Whatever the skirmish was you had over at WERA BBS is starting to resurface here. Take care of the tires, or say that you were mistaken, whatever. I have carefully asked 3 or 4 times now about the tires, in a nice way. It makes me wonder how many others you're stringin' along.  >:(    

[cornercamping]

My beef is that "someone" posted free tires to give away, in the classifieds I believe, and has not followed through on the committment. If you can't follow through on the offer, say so, or go back to the WERA boards if they'll have you.

 ÊI really couldn't give a rat's behind on not following through on giving something away, for free. However, if you don't have the cajones to come on out and say, " I already gave the tires away to...", scram. Whatever the skirmish was you had over at WERA BBS is starting to resurface here. Take care of the tires, or say that you were mistaken, whatever. I have carefully asked 3 or 4 times now about the tires, in a nice way. It makes me wonder how many others you're stringin' along. Ê>:( Ê Ê

I responded to you, twice.  ARE YOU COMING TO GINGERMAN for the 3rd time?  >:(   I didn't give them away.  

[cornercamping]

I responded to you, twice. ÊARE YOU COMING TO GINGERMAN for the 3rd time? Ê>:( Ê I didn't give them away. Ê

http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ccs1;action=display;num=1090609225;start=6

5th or 6th post down.   Looking for the first time I asked still.   ::)

[fourandsix]

I agree with you Dave...

However Jim's statement:


... was unconstructive in this conversation and was belittling and inciteful.

Dawn

Dawn the point i was trying to make is that something happens and someone gets on some internet site slamming or stirring up stuff. I just assumed this guy rode on another brand of tires. If you want to talk about unconstructive read some of this guys posts here or on the wera board. I will be at Gingerman and if anyone has a beef or complaint about me please feel free to stop by and chat with me anytime.I will be with the Safety First Truck you can find it easily. Sorry if i abused anyone.