Handling woes

[BRG]

sdiver,

You may have wanted to try and make some changes before 1/2 the season was gone!

Your telling me that Jacoby runs the exact same setting that Mark does? If you were told that and believed it, your crazy.

Steve you have to be smarter than that. Teams at the level of Vesrah will never share all the info. They have spent hours and hours to testing with each rider. What looks the same, and counts the same on the dials, is very misleading. You have no idea what equipment is truely inside, and even if you buy a bike directly from any factory, sem-factory, or B team, the likely hood that the rider specific internals and equipment is just left on the bike is just that, not likely.

[sdiver68]

sdiver,

You may have wanted to try and make some changes before 1/2 the season was gone!

True, had I known better.  :(  I was just a 2nd year rider PERIOD who the year before had everything set-up by a shop and it was good.  Next year, hired the best experts and bought the best bike I could to eliminate as many of the newbie variables as I could.  Then, I went to 4 weekends (still new tracks to me) just blaming myself for being dog azz slow.  Finally got a track day at my home track where it was the first time I could assess the situation, lap times a couple of seconds SLOWER than my AM lap times a year before.  MAM slower than year before, discovered also my bike wasn't making good HP.

Went to Junge to fix the HP situation, he made the geometry changes after describing to me exactly what I had been complaining about, but blaming myself on, for 1/2 the season.  Next weekend (at MAM) I'm running 3-4 seconds faster per lap, and was improving every session as my confidence from the way I ened the year before started coming back. 

Your telling me that Jacoby runs the exact same setting that Mark does? If you were told that and believed it, your crazy.

Well, I must have checked myself right out of the looney bin when I went to Junge's shop.  He took a tape measure to his bike, then Jacobi's, then mine.  Boom, boom, boom all within a minute and with me standing right there.  You've been to his shop and know they have them all right there up on their work stands.  Lowered mine by 12 mm in the rear (measured at an angle to the rear swingarm, not a true 12mm).  Also, they all use the same endurance bike, are you telling me they switch geometry at pit stops?

Steve you have to be smarter than that. Teams at the level of Vesrah will never share all the info. They have spent hours and hours to testing with each rider. What looks the same, and counts the same on the dials, is very misleading. You have no idea what equipment is truely inside, and even if you buy a bike directly from any factory, sem-factory, or B team, the likely hood that the rider specific internals and equipment is just left on the bike is just that, not likely.

I am smart enough to know a 3-4 second instant drop in average lap times when I see it.  Do I think my "exact" bike is the exact same?  No, but you rebuilt the forks yourself and told me I had all the latest Traxxion pieces in there.  The Penske is top of the line as well.

None of this is meant to be a slam on anyone.  For my riding style I saw instant results on my bike with the aforementioned changes.  Were this a slam, I would not be still bringing my stuff to you for rebuilds and advice (btw I did not get a chance to bring my forks in that Gateway weeknd, maybe I will at MAM).

For the record, my opinion is BRG/Traxxion does great work, and I continue to use Brian for work, advice, and to purchase Vesrah pads..  The Traxxion geometry numbers did NOT work for me (or my bike), so my point was that Suspension Tuning is an Art and Science...what works great for 1 may not work great for all.

[sdiver68]

Nolan hey man give me a call!  It's nice to see you back on the boards...or shoot me an email
dan@kingpinracing.com


Steve, How's your arm doing?  YOu coming racing this year?

I'm thinking maybe July 4th weekend at MAM, maybe just 4 non-money races or so.  Arm is doing well, riding is no problem and stability keeps getting better... I just want to keep getting it stronger so it can survive a get-off intact  :o.  Mentally I'm not there yet when it comes to close passes so that's why I think a race weekend will clear my head.

Now if I can just get a ride up there :)

[OmniGLH]

Now if I can just get a ride up there :)

Is that a hint?   ;)

Hope to see you out there Steve - it's been awhile!  We'll be up there the whole weekend.  Drag Nolan with you... and tell your woman to bring out some of those hot single friends of hers  ;)

[sdiver68]

Is that a hint?   ;)

Could be, could be.  Actually there is a fair chance I'll be in KC on business the prior week and the following week, which means I'll need to haul my bike up there with me, but also means it will only be a 2 hour drive from KC :)

Don't know if Jen can make it or not, doubt it, but I'll see what I can do about getting some hotties up there  :-/

[Super_KC124]

Hey, I know someone who lives in K.C.  ;D Stop by. I'll blow up an air mattress for you. ;)

[r1owner]

so my point was that Suspension Tuning is an Art and Science...what works great for 1 may not work great for all.

You mean you can tune it?  Seriously, I haven't touched my rear shock (which is still stock) or the forks (Traxxion) since I got them.  I'm too afraid I'll really screw it up.

[sdiver68]

Hey, I know someone who lives in K.C.  ;D Stop by. I'll blow up an air mattress for you. ;)

Thanks, but as it happens I already have one of those :)  But I might contact you about a place to store my bike during the week if in fact I do make it part of a KC trip :)

[r1owner]

Thanks, but as it happens I already have one of those :)  But I might contact you about a place to store my bike during the week if in fact I do make it part of a KC trip :)

Glad to hear you're getting back out there Steve!  8)

I have some pretty good video of you from the track day at Gateway if you're interested in seeing it.

[G 97]

I have heard Traxxion has messed up other peoples stuff too, then they turn into a&%holes when you tell them they screwed up. :o Thats the word around the pits as I havent used them myself. I have heard too many horror stories, yours is just another, that I wouldnt take a chance using them. ;)

::) ::) ::)

Why is it the classic: "I have not used them nor do I have any direct dealings with them but I have heard that Traxxion screws things up then are A holes when asked to fix the issues"  This is pure crapolla.   If you have not used them how can you possibly have any credible relevance toward giving any comments or feedback on the situation.  

I am sure just from the amount of work they do that just from the law of averages that they make some mistakes from time to time.  In my experience with both Max and now Brian Baker they have been nothing but top notch.  No problem with any follow up or with getting feedback on set up/track conditions.   All it takes is a simple phone call and I promise you that Max or Baker will take every measure to correct any issues anyone may have.  

[OmniGLH]

You coming out to MAM, Scott??  Been a REAL long time since I've seen ya...

[sdiver68]

Yeah Scott, you going out?  8)