Longer races or more practice time?

[lil_thorny]

TZ boy.... I told you!   LOL. ;D
Thorny, I agree with more practice, but I also think that we/CCS would loose money/racers if we were to limit the classes.  We don't have to worry in that we
run Middleweight mainly, but then again I also agree
that a field of 2-3 riders is maybe a waste of time, that could be utilized for practice or an extra lap during sprints.  What is up with the motard scooter races too? I didn't get that. those should be run on friday or something! :-/

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[Thorny]

I agree SuperDuck, but some people choose to bad mouth one another to dispay their intelligence. I think message boards and the majority of the people are for gossip hounds not for information. I thought this thread was interesting because we all have complained about the practice time, I have only heard people talk about longer races when their setup was way off and once that adapted to the crappy set up they got a little faster, which all that can be solved with more set-up, or as I call it PRACTICE!!!

[TZDeSioux]

I agree SuperDuck, but some people choose to bad mouth one another to dispay their intelligence. I think message boards and the majority of the people are for gossip hounds not for information. I thought this thread was interesting because we all have complained about the practice time, I have only heard people talk about longer races when their setup was way off and once that adapted to the crappy set up they got a little faster, which all that can be solved with more set-up, or as I call it PRACTICE!!!

Couldn't agree with you more but you still gotta take an internet BBS for what it is. It provides us with entertainment and at times some useful information. I'm all for both more practice and longer races. I do need more than 2 sessions to set my bike up as far as the jetting goes as well as anything else and I'm sure you're in the same boat since you race a 125 if I recall correctly. For me, longer races would allow me to make up for my horrible starts. I tend to get going pretty good around lap 4 so extending a sprint race to 10 laps would allow me to go full out for more laps which would benefit me in terms of position on the track. I'm sure we've all had times where we thought that if we had one or two more laps that we would've beat so and so.

[TZ_Boy]

  This thread is about the fact that CCS has eliminated classes and is going to add 1 lap to the sprint races, in this thread you posted that if CCS had any bals they would eliminate some classes and make the race's longer.  Are you confused?

  I regret the name calling that is why I edited my post and apologized.  I am confused about the confrontation though, am I supposed to be Yates or Fania?

  As far as tire consumption is concerned that is the reason many racer's choose not to race the latest and greatest 600 or bigger.  This is club racing isn't it?

[PJ]

Longer races please...

For those that want more practice, there seem to be plenty of track days available.

[bmfgsxr]

unless i missed it, it doesnt appear as if we got any clarification as to how much additional practice time we would get.. there are enough people who are on the fence to which they would prefer to the degree it may change the results of the poll.

[Baltobuell]

I'm just glad I'm not Kevin. It seems everbody agrees about half of us will disagree with his decision.
 My 2 cents. At club level, we only do this maybe once or twice a month and practice might add safety by getting everybody a little more re-acclamated before the green flag.

[lil_thorny]

Longer races please...

For those that want more practice, there seem to be plenty of track days available.

Paul, not all people have the ability to utilize track days. Nor can they get the time off to do so.  What good does a longer race do if you aren't set-up proper? It only wastes your money and tires. Think about it, 2/10th's of a second slower during a 10 lap sprint = 2 seconds lost by the end of the race. When
more than likely, -2/10th's could have been shaved by some additional practice time. That's to say if you utilize your practice time wisely.  Also, track days
won't help if conditions change from one day to the next. Or don't you agree with race day conditions factoring into the bikes handling?  I'm merely trying to convey an advantage to having some additional practice, not trying to disagree with anyone.  Then
again, it all gets washed away in the rain if the track is green. ;)

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[motomadness]

lil_thorny,

This is still club racing.  Only the front runners are going to be changing the bike a lot between/during practice sessions.  Therefore the value for the majority of club racers is in longer races.  Besides, like I said in another note on this site, more people have the same mentality when they are on the track during a race than during practice = the track is safer to ride during a race than during practice.

Your point about the track days not being useful, isn't that what Dunlop and Michelin do for the teams they support.  I'm sure the bulk of their work in done during those activities, rather than during a race weekend.  I think race weekends are for fine tuning only.

[CCS243]

unless i missed it, it doesnt appear as if we got any clarification as to how much additional practice time we would get.. there are enough people who are on the fence to which they would prefer to the degree it may change the results of the poll.

Sorry, I should have made it more explicit when I asked Dawn to set up the poll.  The trade is one additional lap of in all the scheduled sprint races vice 1 or possibly 2 more laps of practice in each group.  

At the CCS MA & SE venues, we might run practice on Sunday up until the lunch/quiet hour and all 15 sprints after lunch instead of running 2 races prior to lunch, but then the races would be held to 7 laps at VIR & Summit, for example.  Its hard to beat the clock.  15 races x 2minutes30seconds(slowest times) / (5 practice groups * 2 sessions each) = 4minutes30seconds (1 or 2 laps) per practice group, but not additional sessions.

[ecumike]

I still say don't shorten the races.

As I said before... track days are for practice.

[quicktoy]

shorter races..that way i can smoke a cigarette sooner..with longer practise, i can take a break midway, come in for a smoke break then get back out there