Longer races or more practice time?

[quicktoy]

OH ya and argueing on the internet is like winning the special olympics...even if you win your still retarded

[TZDeSioux]

shorter races..that way i can smoke a cigarette sooner..with longer practise, i can take a break midway, come in for a smoke break then get back out there

Good point!   ;D ;D

[PJ]

Paul, not all people have the ability to utilize track days. Nor can they get the time off to do so.  What good does a longer race do if you aren't set-up proper? It only wastes your money and tires. Think about it, 2/10th's of a second slower during a 10 lap sprint = 2 seconds lost by the end of the race. When
more than likely, -2/10th's could have been shaved by some additional practice time. That's to say if you utilize your practice time wisely.  Also, track days
won't help if conditions change from one day to the next. Or don't you agree with race day conditions factoring into the bikes handling?  I'm merely trying to convey an advantage to having some additional practice, not trying to disagree with anyone.  Then
again, it all gets washed away in the rain if the track is green. ;)

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Good discussion. I agree that practicing on different days in different conditions will yield different results. Good point about not all racers being able to afford the cost and time off of extra track days. My point is this...

There are only so many race days available. There are many more opportunities for open track time and practice. Race days are for racing. Track days are for practice and set up. Morning practice on CCS race days is best used to get your head up to speed, scrub in tires, bed in brake pads, and make final decisions on minor gearing and suspension set up changes based on the conditions. There isn't really time to do much else.

Since we're really only talking about 2-3 extra laps of practice time or 1 extra lap of racing, I still would choose the extra lap of racing. Unless I'm leading the race coming out of the final turn, I'm always disappointed to see the checkered flag come out...

[dylanfan53]

OH ya and argueing on the internet is like winning the special olympics...even if you win your still retarded

Maybe you should try volunteering there sometime.  
It's more rewarding than any race I've ever won.

[am_#65_john_deere]

hey quicktit...... >:( oops, i meant quicktoy.

if you want me to leave you in a position where the only sport you can participate in , is the SPECIAL OLYMPICS , keep talking like that.

i will gladly disfigure  and dismember you so you may experience disability for yourself.

think about this,,,,,,

disabled people are on this world to show the rest of us how lucky we really are, no matter how bad we think we have it.

[tzracer]

Having raced AMA and FormulaUSA (when it was just one class), practice sessions of less than about 30 minutes do not really allow much experimenting with set up. Adding a couple laps to our current practices will not allow enough time to any significant changes (ride height, springs, fork oil level) during a practice session. At tracks like Blackhawk, the Friday practice days are not too expensive and you have much more time to try a multitude of changes. This is a club racers version of testing. Practice days prior to a race weekend are invaluable. Race weekends are really not for significant testing.

How many racers keep notes from each race weekend? I have notes for my TZ, I use them to get my bike in the ballpark and use practice for any fine tuning. I find notes to be extemely valuable. I gave Jack some copies of my set up sheets, he put them on his website (sliderphoto.com), but said there was very little interest.

I have a new bike for this season, I have already signed up for the NESBA day at RA to work on setup because there will not be enough time on Friday (one of the downsides to teaching riders school - students come first, your own racing is secondary). I plan on doing some fridays at Blackhawk for the same reason.

[ecumike]

Speaking of notes (which I'll be taking alot of now that I got my 125)... once you've been to a track, if you take notes, the next time you're there, presumably, the less work and notes/setup you have to do. So the more often you're at the same track, the easier it should be to setup and dial the bike in for that track. (If you do that sorta stuff)

[lil_thorny]

Great points.  Well said Moto...
There have been many a time when I needed just one more lap. I say get the corner workers out on the track sooner ;)

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[251am]

 Let's have more RedBull consumption in the pits all weekend, sos to see more fireworks in our own special olympics.  :-X
  More practice time or longer races? Either way we're gonna have more fun. Friends and relatives see the time and effort we've put into this sport, $$$, and think I'm "special". I'm just getting into this thing so I say longer races. If we're still around in a year or two and have invested with GMD, Kyle, Lindemann, or whoever, maybe I'll be saying more practice/set-up time.
  Either way, what are the results of this polling? Are we actually going to see longer races or practice?  

[quicktoy]

People gotta learn not to take everything to heart..its a joke and believe me, im not the first person to say it

[lil_thorny]

Quiktoy, where you racen this year?
which region?  

[am_#65_john_deere]

quicktoy,

it's just that some things hit home more than you might think and what you said was better left unsaid.

disability is no joke.

i took offense to your remark, even though it was implied as a joke. it is not a case of people learning not to take everything to heart, but a case of people realising that they are being offensive to others.

just my 2 cents,
and i apoligise for threatening to leave you in a state of disability.