DAYTONA 200

[Team_nuclear123]

Guess it was a lot less than it looked like...

There wasnt a kick, it looked that way on camera, but we couldnt see his feet, just the bales....

"Video replays of the incident appeared to show Yates attempt to drop-kick Fania before the head-butt, but Fania said, "There was no drop-kicking, no drop kicking involved. All he did was head-butt me, like the jerkoff that he is."

So without that, there isnt much... http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8668

Sounds like Fania was pushing it a bit as well...

Aaron was runnign in second, 2.4 seconds behind Mat...

[Ralphy99]

Lets face it guys what Fania should have done was just kick his hillbilly as$. That would really make all these so called pros think twice about going after a privateer after an incident like that. Trust me a a$$ whipping on TV would have straigtned Yates out Quick.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Here is the E mail that I sent to Yoshimura.  I stopped short of recommending Jessie Janiche for the position... ;)

I have been riding motorcycles for 35 years, have worked in the industry for 20 years, and have been a CCS club racer for 5 years.  I've used  and sold plenty of Yoshimura parts during that time.
I'll say this as plainly as I can.  Aaron Yates' behavior at the Daytona 200 was damaging to the sport, Yoshimura's reputation and Suzuki's reputation.  What Yates did was not the fault of Yoshimura, but what comes next is going to affect how the world views your company.  
Yoshimura is an innovative company that makes high-quality parts, but everything you sell is available elsewhere.  What Yates did is not the fault of Yoshimura, but what comes next is going to affect how the world views your company.  There are many talented riders who could do Yates' job, and I'm sure that any of them would do a better job of representing your company.  This is an opportunity for Yoshimura to show the motorcycle world how deeply the company cares about racing.
Personally, I feel that Yoshimura would actually gain positive image points if Yates is fired.  On the other hand, I can't see how you would ever want to run another ad that ties his name or face to your company.  I definetly know how I feel about this situation.  If Yates is not fired, I will pry the Yoshimura tags off  all the equipment I've bought from you, and I will never buy or recommend your products to my customers again.  

[Chef]

Lets face it guys what Fania should have done was just kick his hillbilly as$. That would really make all these so called pros think twice about going after a privateer after an incident like that. Trust me a a$$ whipping on TV would have straigtned Yates out Quick.

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Thats funny  ;D ;D...

I'm a big fan of all these guys.  most you guys too, this is a pretty skilled and determined sport, difficult and rewarding...

EBoz is fast.. I like him, AYates is fast, I like him, there are a bunch of guys that can do well with a  "ride".... IMO Dennis Rodman has some issues outside of basketball, but I loved what he did for DA BULLS! ...."da bulls"...

I understand the frustration factor mixing with a GREAT dissapointment and a BAAAAAD guess estimate going waaaay unlike you were just too sure it would go for Yates...

but if I were in the other shoe, and was head butted on world wide TV, MY FOOLISH pride would have more than likely caused.... uhm.....(whats good to say here???) ....  a fight.... I dont know if I can kick his ...... or not, but I was furious on the couch!!!  >:(
he woulda had ta tussle!
I mean, get a grip!!!..  >:( ...   If you make a right hand turn into oncoming traffic and come home paralized (I DONT hope that on anyone!), It would be a hard fact, but YOUR fault...  dont go trying to sue the trucking company...
DONT BEAT UP A LAPPER BCUZ YOU (in your greatness) RAN INTO EM!  ( I'm no specialist on anything that I mention, I just feel free to speak here because I race  :) )

GSXRMIKE, (WUSSUP, MAN?)..
I Know about the thread  ;) I was "baitin" too...
(it's all good, everything else in life is pretty boring) (I hope thats not just me)

I'm sorry for both the bostroms, bcuz it really looked like either of them couldv pulled it off, and Jake kinda surprised me, but I know he can ride...

HELL, I'm GLAD It's frikgen SEASON time again!!!!

AND, speaking on Daytona again is a chance for me to bid a FAREWELL to Bryan (MightyDuc) as the new season starts and we leave Daytona for the second round.... (Rest In Peace B......)

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(Alexa, I need some work)

[Chef]

OH, AND ON THE TRACK CONDITION !!!  >:(

PUHLEASE!!! >:(  I am SOOOO FREAKING sick and tired of these big places and companies Who DEMAND SOOOOOO MUCH of patrons and consumers IN GENERAL! for them (DAYTONA, FORMULA USA, AMA CCS) and cant extend the simplest little LIFESAVING function!!
(again I dont hope anything bad on anyone) but EBOZ couldv been in trouble on that track! as well as those behind him if that oil is released in another area of that track! ( I was surprised to see no other incidents following that!)
 
And I'm not trying to KICK anyone here on this board, but I've seen tracks (with the "s") .. infact the October Daytona had gravel....
I know who has to be held RESPONSIBLE for that, and ..lets just say "thay wont let us racers out there with a broom" or "without a bike" ???

So next, Racers need to push, or at least mention that "hey, we may race in the rain,But thats nature?" "You know, It'd feel a bit safer if someone could get those bolders at t1 and the logs over in 5..
and then theres sand in 9.... we are trying to go thru there as fast as we can.. on "two" wheels... we're not afraid of falling, bcuz we wouldnt do it anymore, hurts tho...

and in the interest of fareness, I must admit, that in general, tracks are clean, and I'm generally pleased with CCS, It's just that a few times, I've mentioned bad spots fairly early in the weekend, and nothing happened, as if there wasnt enuff time... (rubbed me wrong)  (but then again, who am I?)
I hope someone at CCS see's this and puts forth more effort to keep the tracks as clean as possible...

[Decreasing_Dave]

I'll start by saying that I am, and have always been a fan of Aaron Yates.  He's down to earth and I like the way he rides.  He muscles the bike, sort of like me, but waaay better.  Gives me hope.  And of course, you have to admit, he's fun to watch.

HOWEVER...................

What I saw today was the worse case of Unsportsmanlike Conduct that I have ever seen in ANY racing, let alone PROFESSIONAL racing.  I, like everyone else here, realize the frustration and emotions involved with the race and particularly the accident.  

BUT COME ON!!!!  You're getting paid to represent major corporations by riding a motorcycle for a living and being the frontman.  Is that the image that Suzuki and your other sponsors pay you to convey??

And now for the statements.....

I agree that Fania may be dramatizing the incident a bit.  It was pretty intense and very unexpected...for us.  Imagine what it was like for Fania.  I don't blame him for filing charges.  Personnally, I would have had a REAL hard time not throwing down with Homeboy Yates if he pulled that sh!t with me like that.  Totally uncalled for.

Now for Yates statement, what's this sh!t he's shoveling about how he went through the motions of drop-kicking Fania but just didn't extend his legs...and only brushed him.  Isn't that like Clinton saying that he smoked pot, but he didn't inhale??  First of all, we watched Fania fall back into the tires after receiving Yates' kick.  Regardless if it really happened, the perception was there.  From then on, no matter what was said between the two riders (since we obviously couldn't hear it) and the fact that Yates was the one to walk back over to Fania after they had started to walk away from each other, Yates appears to have been the aggressor of the whole off-bike incident.

Throw the book at 'em (and I am a real Yates fan :-/)

[Super Dave]

9 races in the last two seasons with the outcome being determined by lappers...

No ground to stand on there, again.

Fania ain't slow...

The closing speed was fast because Yates had a faster bike, but the mid corner speed was similar, so Yates took them out because of his mistake.

Who fixes Yates bike?  Who fixes Fania's?

What does Yates loose?  His salary?  Does the purse matter to him?

Fania gets a broken bike, less purse money, and no salary...

Do you think that the Honda road race team had a claim on Fania's forks?

Blame should be placed where it is earned...if you run into someone, you could crash...especially if you're gonna go around the outside of a rider that actually has some ground speed.

The Daytona 200 is an endurance race, a pretty lame one usually, and you always go inside a "slower rider" at the entry when ever possible.  If you "scare" a slower rider, you'll both get taken out.  Didn't see Fania flinch...but Yates certainly did make contact before ever getting passed Fania.

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Doug also pointed out one other lil thing that I missed today.... DiSalvo swung down on Roger Lee, "weaving: to make the others check up and or break the draft.. Rog looked like he was full on the brakes... There may/might, should be some penalty for that as well... Imagine if Rog's bike would have gone down... 6, maybe 8 bikes with it, 170mph, and prolly hit the starter too... Scary thought...

Yeah, but here's the difference. Roger didn't go and punch Disalvo, push, shove, kick when he wasn't looking etc.  And when Roger has intereviewed? He didn't even whine, complain, etc. Now that was class!

Guess it was a lot less than it looked like...
 
There wasnt a kick, it looked that way on camera, but we couldnt see his feet, just the bales....

BS again. There are TWO camera views. The second clearly shows Yates kicking and knocking Fania over. Speed cut away right before that on the replay but after consideration they showed it with Despain after the race.

[Super Dave]

KWS is a Suzuki support team...

KWS Insurance....

This wasn't a KWS bike, as in Kevin Hunt with Shawn Higbee and Danny Eslick.

Hot entry or not, stupid moves happen.  I got taken out at the AHRMA races at Daytona on Tuesday...and we're talkin' two very expensive priceless bikes.

But, simple human logic dictates that you don't act like an a$$, eh?  Hey, I went and pulled the bike off the guy that ran into me.

AMA Pro Racing has allowed this series to become a programs of "haves" and "have nots".  It is a really exclusive club race that caters to a handful of manufacturers teams that almost have no regard for the rules that privateers read.  (How logical is it that a quick shifter should be allowed on a production racing class like Supersport?)

In the 600 race, I so wanted Barnes to stick it to everyone.  Do you think that during tear down they would look at the Pietro Racing entry the same as they do the new GSXR600's?  Anyone who has been around racing long enough recognizes Barney's tallents...and the unevenhandedness of the AMA.

The Daytona 500 only had a handful of drivers on the lead lap, others were "lappers" that are reconized in their own right as good drivers...Nextel Cup Drivers.  Why is it that during the Daytona 200 our lappers get so much flack and disrespect?  Might be because the cr@ppy support from a majority of the motorcycle industry will never, ever support racing in any manner that will affect any change to actually make any Superbike race worthy of any real spectator appeal.

"Why are the stands so empty at Daytona?"  Hey, the TV coverage was crap too, so why would you expect anything less.

So, until Ron and Merril call me, I guess we have to wait for things to be the same as it ever was...

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

Isn't that like Clinton saying that he smoked pot, but he didn't inhale??  
Throw the book at 'em (and I am a real Yates fan :-/)

And if you wear a condom it wasn't sex, because there was no "intimate contact."  Really, this whole thing is overblown.  They were both wearing helmets and leathers, so how much could they have hurt each other, right?  Sorry Yates.  What you did was wrong, and you can't talk your way out of it.
I wish the replay would have shown Kevin Hanson running up in his cop leathers, shooting mace into Yates' helmet eye port, kneeling on  his 'throat and cuffing his azz.  That might have made "Cops!"  Bad boys bad boys...

[Super Dave]

DiSalvo swung down on Roger Lee, "weaving: to make the others check up and or break the draft.. Rog looked like he was full on the brakes... There may/might, should be some penalty for that as well... Imagine if Rog's bike would have gone down... 6, maybe 8 bikes with it, 170mph, and prolly hit the starter too... Scary thought...

Ok, first, this is simple physics isn't it?

Anyone falls on a bike and the bike will follow a tangent of the radius that the cornering motorcycle was following.

So, give us a break on the whole impending doom there.

Next, Doug's broken the draft before.  It's still allowed in AMA Pro racing, and you're allowed one good weave in CCS/FUSA racing yet too.

Finally, DiSalvo was in front, where a racer has the "right of way"...Yates was behind where he didn't.

As for Rog bein' on the brakes, probably...and he would have done the same to Jason had he been in the same situation.  Jason was not racing to back into a parking place, but racing in an attempt to win the AMA Pro Supersport National at Daytona International Raceway.

[Team_nuclear123]

Jack,

It was Fania who said that Aaron didnt kick him... read the link

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8668