AMP shut down

[Team_nuclear123]

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=8270

[duc995@aol.com]

How come the owners of the track aren't asking the users to support them and instructing them in how mest to do this?  I hate to see that they were caught in a lie as this track is the best we have in a 500 mile radius!  Even more sad is that the technicality is just an excuse for greedy land developers to build more subdivisions!

[bmgracing]

The owners of the track did send out a flyer asking supporters to show up at the hearing.

Does anyone know how this impacts the Team Arizona race weekend next weekend?  It sounded from the article in RRW that they would be filing something to keep the track open until they can go to court over it.

[Team_nuclear123]

I read the complaint, and the order. I doubt that they will be able to get an injunction since they were in direct violation of the use permit they were granted.

John Wherli can read it and shed a bunch more light on the legal aspects... John, where are ya dude?

Will

[raptorduck952]

John Wherli can read it and shed a bunch more light on the legal aspects... John, where are ya dude?

Will

Hey Will:
How did you get access to the complaint? I can look at it.

[MZGirl]

Interesting.  Section 3, pp. 20-23.

http://www.maricopa.gov/agendas/pdf/formal.pdf

[Eric Kelcher]

These look like the biggest issues to me.
 
 
24 people on site until water issue resolved then 200 max.
 Hours of operation 9-5 Sat/Sun
no use of faclity at all until permits and approval of buildings already built.
no overnight camping
100 days/yr max usage.
Real interesting/confusing noise monitering system 82db max limit with real time monitering on web and violations reported in real time to Maricopa offices with recodring of sound. Can't really tell how close the moniter will be to course/property line as it is given as a Lat/long placement. three violations in a month and they go back to court for possible revocation.  
 
 
Seems like they are going to have a hard time and should have told the board what their real plans were when they were building track.  Makes me wonder are the people running it today the same that started the process 13-14 months ago? If so why the change in what they wanted track for? Or did they think they could slid by once it was built?

[duc995@aol.com]

I have been using the track since August and have never received any requests from the track ownership.  Everything I have seen regarding the problems with the track have come from web forums (like this) and from racers...the owners have remained mute as far as I am concerned.  I am saddened to feel torn between the personal loss of the track to the racers and the disgust with the owners who seem to be crooked and underhanded in their exploitation of the permit granted them by the county!

[Mongrel]

Lets just say there is more to this then meet the eye.  A lot of the things that have already been said are rhetoric from SunCorp, a land developer that was the big guns behind the closure.  I have been to several of the Board of Supervisors meetings and have been following this for sometime.  The track owner never misrepresented the track or himself.  There was a stupid comment made at the first hearing where the track got approved.  The lawyer for the track was asked in a light conversational way what the owner and his friends would be driving out at track.  The lawyer responded using the term "street legal" BMW's, and some other type of cars. I feel this was an honest answer to what the owner and his friends drove, but the BoS has turned this into the crux of their approval and why they feel deceived.  The application never mentioned the term "street legal", and never said the track was only going to be used by the owner and his friends.  It did say it was a private use facility and that up to 200 people could be on the site at any given time (which was a Luke AFB requirement that Luke AFB latter revised to 600 though the application still is for 200).   The term private in legal world is not what a lot of people think.  Think of it like a private club, Knights of Columbus, Lions Club, or after hours club, it is private but clubs or groups can rent the place for use.  This is what the term use was in the application.  The fact is BoS never asked enough questions or read the application.  The BoS staff never mentioned or brought up anything.  The stuff with permits and such are just misunderstandings and county red tape that the track owner did not handle very well.  Fact is many of us would have made the same mistakes if it had been our private property.  They normal don't shut a person down they fine them.  This whole thing is big business; SunCop and Sun Health are land developers and have money invested in the land around the base.  SunCorp is not Luke AFB friendly and has proven it does not care if the base closes down.  I have had some personal dealings with SunCorp and know a little bit about its tactics and what it cares about.

[Team_nuclear123]

John, Sorry about mis-spelling yoru last name...

That is the link to the complaint, the original link has a link in it to the vote and the ruling to shut the track down.

BTW, My lil brother is with Ropers....

Let me know what you think, that track looked to be really bitchin...

Will

[duc995@aol.com]

Hey Wayne...thanks for the inside scoop!  Let me know if there is anything that I (living in AZ) or others can do to help preserve this terrific track from the the clutches of scum bag land developers!

[251am]

 Thanks for the heads-up nuke. Let us know what we can do. I will eventually end up living down there near Tucson. Tucson just did the same thing with one of their premier MX tracks. Anyway, thanks for the post. SunCorp, eh?
  Thanks to MZgirl as well for the pdf. Sitting back and doing nothing is like giving my approval. I won't sit back.