Trust me - I safety wired it!

[THE_D.O.C.]

i'd like to see team nuclear run a 1m29 lap at vir. that is a fast as hell time. what a clown. you obviously know your racing, and what makes an exciting race. (eight factory riders all by themselves)

BTW, i didn't know all you guys were perfect, and are not capable of making mistakes.  ::)

[Dawn]

BTW, i didn't know all you guys were perfect, and are not capable of making mistakes.  ::)

Not all of us are perfect.  Just some of us are...

 ;)

[THE_D.O.C.]

apparently.

[Dawn]

apparently.

LOL!!!!

 ;D

[Team_nuclear123]

Did you happen to catch the press release from Chet Burke? Cost for that oil spill for speed TV was over 100K directly, and no mention was given the advertisers costs, lost revenue, etc.

The reason the saftey wire rule exists is so that the techs dont HAVE to be perfect. Its not that he didnt saftey wire the bolt, its that he didnt tighten it!

OK, 20 104% is too steep for you guys. Let me ask you, how many of the back markers got the TV coverage? How many times has a backmarker had a serious impact on an AMA national this year? MANY, and one is too many.

Hows this for a fair rule.... If you are going to get lapped during the race, at yoru BEST pace, then you are not allowed to race superbike or 600SS. Race FX or Superstock, but not the premier classes.

Im not perfect, I never claimed to be, however, I do follow most of the rules, most of the time. I also dont change oil at the track just for that reason. and NO, you wont see me run a 129 at VIR, but then again you wouldnt see me being a backmarker in a superbike race either. Ill be the guy with the clipboard and stopwatch.

[r6_philly]

Hows this for a fair rule.... If you are going to get lapped during the race, at yoru BEST pace, then you are not allowed to race superbike or 600SS. Race FX or Superstock, but not the premier classes.

How would you know if someone who is getting lapped is on their "best pace"? how about if we all put them on spec bikes and see who still get lapped??? If AMA is willing to supplie motors and chasis to teams like some other racing series, lets see if we still need a 112% rule.

And tell me if you are so naive that you don't realize 90% of all privateer will have no reason to race whatsoever. And thats how many $$$ that won't be spent on racing? And how would that affect the SMALL motorcycle racing industry? Would there still be one? You would reduce the number of AMA racers from 100's to about 40. Congrats, that helps the racing ecomony a whole lot.

Besides, maybe then anyone who ever got lapped in a CCS race should have his license taken away. Lappers have affected my race before (in big ways) so maybe we should stop that as well? The financial impact of lappers has been very great this year ...

Im not perfect, I never claimed to be, however, I do follow most of the rules, most of the time. I also dont change oil at the track just for that reason. and NO, you wont see me run a 129 at VIR, but then again you wouldnt see me being a backmarker in a superbike race either. Ill be the guy with the clipboard and stopwatch.

I hope you stick with the clipboard and stopwatch. But then again, I wouldn't want you to hold my clipboard and stopwatch.

Let us know when you get a job for holding a clipboard and stopwatch on a factory team. Because if you are not on a factory team, your team may be banned by your own rules.

[EX#996]

OK, 20 104% is too steep for you guys. Let me ask you, how many of the back markers got the TV coverage? How many times has a backmarker had a serious impact on an AMA national this year? MANY, and one is too many.

Hows this for a fair rule.... If you are going to get lapped during the race, at yoru BEST pace, then you are not allowed to race superbike or 600SS. Race FX or Superstock, but not the premier classes.

What form of racing on a closed curcuit doesn't have backmarkers?  None.

The smart racers will use it to their advantage.  It is true that at times they may cause a problem, but that is part of the race.

Except for an elite few...  all of us were backmarkers at one time or another.

Dawn

[Super Dave]

OK, 20 104% is too steep for you guys. Let me ask you, how many of the back markers got the TV coverage? How many times has a backmarker had a serious impact on an AMA national this year? MANY, and one is too many.

Hows this for a fair rule.... If you are going to get lapped during the race, at yoru BEST pace, then you are not allowed to race superbike or 600SS. Race FX or Superstock, but not the premier classes.

OK, first, there are factory guys that get lapped because they trash tires.  So, they get lapped.  You really think the manufacturers would allow them to get bumped from SS, SB, etc?

Impact by a Privateer?  How about Jordan Szoke when he took out Kevin Hanson (at the time a back marker) at Mid-Ohio?  Yup, it was Jordan's fault, and he admits to it himself.

How about the two minutes of coverage that Kevin Hanson, a back marker, got on Speedvision?  Guess he did get some coverage.  He was on the front page of the local paper in Danville along with a full article on page two.  

About the only thing that Kevin has access to is decent tires.  He doesn't have a preseason testing budget or three days at a new facility to run in a bike with data aquisition.   His GSXR1000 doesn't make 180HP either, although we know that the factories make much more.

Not everyone was a back marker.  There are an elite number of riders that have always been good at the Pro level.  There are some that enter the Pro ranks too early with no understanding of how the game works.  It makes AMA Pro racing accessable, and more marketable although there is no chance in he11 that they will do very well.  112% seems to allow some fudge factor for the lack of proper rules and support in the field.  

If I were to make the rules, I would restrict the modifications in suspensions and motors, require the manufacturers to offer support packages as their cost of entry for their manufacturer team (Yosh, Graves, Kaw, Honda).  Riders would enter for the full season, but they would be required to field a rider on their bike.  Offer wild card entries to local riders.  More purse money.  If I'm Larry Denning, making $8000 at a Blackhawk CCS event makes more sense than winning $4000 for the Laguna Superbike race.  Offer something and maybe teams will develope with riders.  What is there to risk for?

[Super Dave]

Testing...

Factory vs you and I...

http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/NewsInsert.asp?insert=7182

[Team_nuclear123]

R6Philly, Been there done than, in AMA and WSB. And not just holding the clipboard. BTW, your BEST lap is what you are supposed to do in QUALIFYING.

Dave, Im saying that there are other AMA races that the privateer can be in other than Superbike. If a rider proves themselves in Superstock or FX, then they get a ride. Hell next year will be Jake Zemke's first year on a superbike. His first year running the class. Go figure...

As far as the equipment difference, the top AMA guys will still smoke 80% of the field on a showroom stock bike. Hell, remember what Don Canet did on a BONE stock R6?? FInished 13th in 600SS. Stock pipe even. Its 90% about riding skill. the last 10% is machine. Look at EB on that ZX7RR!

Back to my original point, thin the field, make it LESS dangerous for the guys that can run near the front say 106% (but NOT 112%) use a blue passing flag, and institute STRONG penalties for those that "forget" to follow the rules (saftey wire)

[jnup]

the problem with lowering then %112 rule is that no matter how low you go, the factory guys will still lap someone, that is part of the race.  also the problem is not being lapped but the safety of the riders.  i have been lapped a few times this year and i feel it has been safe each time. i leave plenty of room inside and outside of the corner.  i also have seen fast riders that leave no room for the leaders to pass.  they are now the problem even though they are very fast sometimes.

next, passing is one of the best parts of racing, not 6 factory riders following each other around for 30 laps.  watch the next national to see how many passes the leaders make on each other, not much fun to watch and diminishes how amazingly fast, smooth, and smart they really are.

next, i do race superbike and formula extreme.  fx pays like crap but is my best class. if the ama offers a class i can qualify for and actually win money to pay my high tire bill (love my dunlops) plus try to get exposure for all my great sponsors (lp, suomy, woodcraft, hyperpro, airtech, dave rosno) then i have to race that race.  that is the only way to pay for the opportunity to learn tracks the ama races and learn the ama system.

now, what makes the %112 so hard.  having never been to a track and trying to qualify for an ama is near impossible, and i think is at laguna seca.  what is the alternative to racing ama fx and sb just to get the practice at a new track?  maybe travel to track days to learn a track then qualify.  prohibitively expensive and i have a job to try to keep.

main point:

fast rider not equal safe rider
learn to ride fast and safe and smart and then race at the highest level posible to gain speed and knowledge and continue to get better and faster.  always win your race

jnup
ama #94

[jnup]

sorry one more point

rider who forgot oil drain plug, ban for life

he is not bigger than the sport and the damage now done to my sport is huge and the safety of all riders is now in question.  i was at vir and for fans to stay all day sunday for one short ss race is crazy.  i would never come back again.

how can i be assured my racetrack will not have oil on it next time.  no excuses.

one example will stop this for a while