Clarification on moving to Expert status

[MCRacer980]

Hi all,

Reading the CCS rules here, and just thought I'd ask for my own clarification:

Does one have to obtain 500 points in a single class to be moved to expert, or is it 500 points OVERALL? 500 points overall seems rather easy to obtain, so that's why I have to ask.

Which begs another question -- how many of you decided to request to stay Amatuer for one more year? Based on the first question, I may have to decide next year as to whether or not I want to stay amatuer or become a back marker expert.  :)

Thanks.

Brad

[Litespeed]

It's 500 total and according to what I have heard and seen, CCS turned down a lot of requests last year for people trying to stay amateur.  You will move up eventually so you might as well do it at the end of this year.  You only get faster by riding with faster people and setting higher goals.

[MCRacer980]

Those were kind of my thoughts. Thanks for the info.

Brad

[Decreasing_Dave]

It's 500 total and according to what I have heard and seen, CCS turned down a lot of requests last year for people trying to stay amateur.  You will move up eventually so you might as well do it at the end of this year.  You only get faster by riding with faster people and setting higher goals.

Although....there is a lot ot be said about Cherrypicking

 ;D

[zx9r-racer]

David,

I think you might enjoy moving up to expert already.   ;D

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

What I read in the rule book is 500pts in a 12 month span to go expert. Doesnt say "in certain classes" like what I was told by someone. But then again, it does seem like the rulebook flew out the window.

[TZ_Boy]

  I don't think Sportsman Classes or Formula 39 1/2 count towards your 500.  But if you win a regional in a Sportsman or Formula 40 then you get bumped.  If you get over 500 you can write a letter to Kevin Elliot asking to stay Amatuer.  If he let's you stay Amatuer and you get 500 the following year you get bumped.

  

[rick]

Yeah, I've heard of a  few hearty souls who've managed to become experts after one race weekend.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

 I don't think Sportsman Classes or Formula 39 1/2 count towards your 500.  But if you win a regional in a Sportsman or Formula 40 then you get bumped.  If you get over 500 you can write a letter to Kevin Elliot asking to stay Amatuer.  If he let's you stay Amatuer and you get 500 the following year you get bumped.

  

Well this is what the rulebook says

2.2.4 A. CCS Officials will issue Expert licenses to those riders with proven experience or ability as follows:
(1.) Applicants who are renewing a CCS Expert license or who are applying with an Expert license from one
of the racing organizations listed in section 2.2.1.
(2.) Amateur riders with the organizations listed in section 2.2.1 who are being upgraded to Expert.
(3.) Any Amateur Rider who in the opinion of CCS Officials has the ability and experience for Expert
competition.
(4.) Any Amateur Rider who scores 500 points within a 12-month period.
(a.) CCS reserves the right to deny Expert Status to any Amateur who meets the point criteria and has
not shown the ability and experience for expert competition.
(5.) Any Amateur Rider who wins a Series Championship or finishes in the top 5 positions in any class at
the Race of Champions.
(a.) CCS reserves the right to deny Expert Status to any Amateur who meets the Series Championship or
Race of Champions criteria and has not shown the ability and experience for expert competition.

Nothing about Sportsman and Formula 39.5 ( ;D) not being included.

[ahastings]

tz-boy is correct. I talked to CCS and the only classes that count are the same ones that count toward regional points standings. rulebook section 8.2.3. Also double points weekends also count double for advancement which makes absolutely no sense. I guess their software can't differentiate the two. So with double points and only 5 fifth place finishes you have enough points to move to expert.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Arnie, where in 8.2.3 does it say that?

8.2.3 Regional Overall Championships (Amateur and Expert Divisions) will be assigned in each series by
combining all points scored in CCS SportBike, all SuperSport classes, all SuperBike classes, all GT
classes, Lightweight Grand Prix, Middleweight Grand Prix and Unlimited Grand Prix by each Amateur
ranked rider during the season in that series. The rider with the most points will be recognized as the
Regional Overall Champion.

It just states for regional championships.

[ahastings]

It doesn't say about advancement, but the regional points totals appear to be the only points totals CCS keeps track of. I called CCS and asked and was told those are the only classes that count toward the 500 point advancement.