AMA Super Sport

[EX#996]

I found this AMA article interesting.  What are your thoughts.

http://www.amasuperbike.com/2003-Jun/e/n030612b.htm

In CCS, if you fail the SS inspection, you are DQ'd plain and simple.  In the AMA, it's not so simple.

Dawn   :)

[OmniGLH]

I tried to vote but got the following:

An error occured with this poll and the vote could not be counted. Sorry for the inconvinience.

SO anyways... I was GOING to vote for DQ.  The mechanic they quoted at the end of the aritcle expresses my thoughts exactly.  $2,000 is a drop in the bucket for the factory teams.  Granted, it'd be unfortunate for Kawi to lose their first SS win on that 600RR... but they shouldn't have cheated.  Not to mention -  2 weeks in a row?  And they still get off?

If anything, at LEAST make the fines/penalties consistent across the board.  Don't give one guy a slap on the wrist, and another a DQ, for the same violation.

[EX#996]

I have noticed that the Poll works for some and not others.....  I wonder why that is.

You have some very good points.

Other thoughts?

Dawn   :)

[the_weggie_man]

Penalties need to be stated specifically for offenses.
All the gray area bullshat doesn't work. They make up penalties on the fly and that is wrong.  If the same party offends twice then it should be a fine large enough to set the party straight. Two grand is squat for a factory team. Make it $20-$30K and see what happens.  And you should never keep a win after you've been found cheating!! :P

[MightyDuc Racing]

DQ!  Cheaters SUCK!

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Penalties need to be stated specifically for offenses.
All the gray area bullshat doesn't work. They make up penalties on the fly and that is wrong.  If the same party offends twice then it should be a fine large enough to set the party straight. Two grand is squat for a factory team. Make it $20-$30K and see what happens.  And you should never keep a win after you've been found cheating!! :P

Absolutely right.

[Litespeed]

Bikes that are found to have illegal parts should be confiscated and given to me.  That would make it very costly for the factory teams to continuously push the rules and it would make me very happy when they were found cheating...

[EX#996]

Bikes that are found to have illegal parts should be confiscated and given to me.  That would make it very costly for the factory teams to continuously push the rules and it would make me very happy when they were found cheating...

LOL!!!

So far your's is the best idea yet.  However, the distribution of the illegal parts would have to be reviewed.   ;) ;D

Dawn   :)

[Super Dave]

As one mechanic put it, "Why should you worry about passing tech if they don't take your win away? 20 points and two grand is nothing if you get to stand on top of the box with your trophy and then run a win ad."

If I'm racing, and I did regularly some time ago, Supersport, and the factory teams are cheating, which they do some amount, they should be completely DQ'ed.  I have to follow the rules.  But the rules are so poorly enforced that cheating is rampant.  The Factory teams, which there are a small number of, have the money from the manufacturers and they have the control.  It's corrupt, that's it.  Meanwhile, there are some straight running teams that don't have support that should.  The field should be reasonably equal.  

Blatant cheating that offers a reasonable performance advantage should result in a fine and a loss of points, period.  It legitimizes the process for all involved.  There will always be gray area, and that will be exploited, but blatant cheating should be dealt with consistently and with the full force of the rules.

[Dave_Alexander]

And speaking of inconsistent penalties... why was the local fast privateer banned from competition for a year when they tore his engine down and found some minor scotch-brite use on the valves?  Then the factory bikes are found to be illegal multiple times and are given what is effectively a slap on the wrist?

[Chef]

If anything, at LEAST make the fines/penalties consistent across the board.


 Don't give one guy a slap on the wrist, and another a DQ, for the same violation.

my vote is other, cuz i dont know or care what the penalty should be.......

    but it SHOULD be CONSISTENT !!!

That means that the riders or teams shouldnt be to blame, but the BODY for letting/ALLOWING it to go on for a selected few with lesser penalties...

makes it look as if their is some sort of "inside" trade with the factory teams and the sanctioning body, and even moreso from one team to another ....or maybe that thing where the customers who are spending the most, "kinda" get catered to, or have their way made a bit smoother....
you all know how smmoooooth those greenbacks feel when you sliiiiide em under the table....

no??? me either, but i do like movies  ::) :D

[sdiver68]

This is easy, DQ. Period.

It's the only thing that is consistent, and a heavy enough penalty to deter.

Every time I think about the scotch brite privateer penalty versus the factory penalties it makes me angry  >:(