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« on: December 16, 2012, 09:35:20 am »


Rules suggestions that did not make the 2013 Rulebook.

Allow 10 year old Middleweight machines into Lightweight classes.

Allow Ducati 749R into Lightweight classes.


Buell 1125R in Middleweight classes.




Thanks CCS for not caving to such ridiculous requests.

I am a bit confused as to why someone would even request such ridiculous ideas in the first place. But, still, thanks for holding back the water. Your efforts are appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2012, 01:31:16 pm »

Rules suggestions that did not make the 2013 Rulebook.

Allow 10 year old Middleweight machines into Lightweight classes.

Allow Ducati 749R into Lightweight classes.


Buell 1125R in Middleweight classes.p




Thanks CCS for not caving to such ridiculous requests.

I am a bit confused as to why someone would even request such ridiculous ideas in the first place. But, still, thanks for holding back the water. Your efforts are appreciated.

Answer: The above mentioned request was not observed in it's entirety, but is a summarization of another's opinion not associated with the request. The justification of the request was also not observed by the committee nor the audience of this forum. For example if you heard an 800cc machine and a 500cc machine as equal in performance as in ultralight, or a 1200cc machine and a 560cc machine in lightweight without hearing the reasoning one would also believe that was ludicrous.

The request was initially for a 15 year old V twin machine to be included into the GP and GT class only. A portion of the justification was just like the SV into Ultralight and a 250GP machine being allowed into lightweight and thunder bike by amending the rules. One of the arguments is that in 2011 the 250 Gp machine was legal for heavyweight formula 40 and not lightweight formula 40 but it was also legal for lightweight GP. The v twin configuration was legal for lightweight formula 40 but not legal for lightweight GP a direct opposite of the 250 GP machine.

It is my opinion that the Ducati 748 and the 250 Gp machine is pretty equally matched. That has been proven to me by the results of a certain 250Gp machine competing this year in the Florida Region. If you consider the Ducati 748 a middle weight machine, then I believe you must draw the same conclusion for the 250Gp machine. After all a current(2 year old) 250 GP machine was fairly competitive with the current moto 2 machine of its time.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2012, 02:18:23 pm »
It is my opinion that the Ducati 748 and the 250 Gp machine is pretty equally matched. That has been proven to me by the results of a certain 250Gp machine competing this year in the Florida Region. If you consider the Ducati 748 a middle weight machine, then I believe you must draw the same conclusion for the 250Gp machine. After all a current(2 year old) 250 GP machine was fairly competitive with the current moto 2 machine of its time.

Mark,
I do. The 748 much less the 749 (R or not) are middleweight bikes, period. Lightweight should not be the dumping ground for middleweight bikes that are no longer competitive in their class. Likewise, Ultralight should not be the recipient of the trickle-down effect when lightweight bikes are no longer competitive in their classes due to having to compete with said middleweights.
I also agree that the 250 GP bikes have no business in lightweight just as the 125gp bikes have no business in Ultralight.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2012, 02:39:18 pm »
Then we are in agreement. I made a request to be considered to fit within the rules. all i asked for was the same consideration as the 250 GP macine, you cant blame me for asking.

Can I request the GP machines to be taken out of the street version class? Would that be considered ludicrous by anyone? Will anyone make a such a request next year?

Now, just for conversation sake...I believe in the spirit of classes and the competition there of the GP class is much of "run what you brung". With that in mind modifications could be unlimited up to a displacement and motor configuration. A "Britten" would be run in this class.

The GT class is more an endurance class but with modifications much like the GP class. These machines would not be required to be based on street legal machines.

The supersport and Superbike class would be based upon the street legal machines with more modifications being allowed in the Superbike structure.

With these ideas in mind is why I requested for participation in the GT and GP class only. The formal request was not the original intent.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2012, 02:46:03 pm »
 Cowboy ... with all due respect the 250 is the lightest bike in the lightweight class so how could it not be legal for any lightweight classes? :wtf: How could an sv be in ultra lightweight when it weighs like 450 lbs  :lmao:  just sayin
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2012, 02:52:23 pm »
Good point Steve.

I can't blame anyone for running a bike in any class it is legal for. Isn't your moriwaki legal for ultralight thunder bike?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2012, 03:08:12 pm »
 you lnow I'm not sure what other classes the moriwaki can run in .... maybe ultra lite tb but i think it runs with moto3 anyways   ..... maybe a superbike class
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2012, 04:43:44 pm »
Cowboy ... with all due respect the 250 is the lightest bike in the lightweight class so how could it not be legal for any lightweight classes? :wtf: How could an sv be in ultra lightweight when it weighs like 450 lbs  :lmao:  just sayin

You're a funny dude!  LOL!
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2012, 05:11:43 pm »
The SV can be pared down to 335# in supersport form.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2012, 05:34:42 pm »
The SV can be pared down to 335# in supersport form.

 Still not reallyyyy ULTRA LIGHT WEIGHT by any means .... ask Larry when he seen my 250 on the scale under 220 ....Lmao  ..... gino himself was over that by like 10 lbs with gear :-)
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 12:50:27 am »
10 year old 600's in lightweight?? Do you know how fast a 2003 kaw zx6 can be? When people were racing them lets say at summit point 1:15-1:19 can be done.Usually the winner in our races is  doing 1:20-1:21.
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 12:59:41 am »
How about putting 10 year old 1000's in the 600 class? Do you really think that a 1998 R1 can win races in todays 600 class?
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