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Helmet Eject System
« on: January 06, 2010, 07:11:59 pm »
I might be a bit late on the topic. Is there any one who has more than my five minutes worth of knowledge, of the Helmet Eject System? It seems to make sense and I wanted to bring it up before the season starts. Although any amount of safety can only help, I was wondering if there were any negatives. Thanks in advance.

Here's the product:  http://www.motoworldracing.com/Eject-Helmet-Removal-System.html
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 10:20:23 pm »
The system looks very interesting but the EMTs (at BHF at least) don't have the equipment to inflate the bag and as of 5 yrs ago they were unwilling to consider it for several reasons...need for training, liability issues, etc.  They told me flat out that they were already experts in helmet removal and that was that.
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 03:11:37 am »
TrackdayMag.com discovered this product at last year's Indy Dealer Expo.  We contacted every racetrack on our calendar to see if they did or would consider using this product.  Response?  Not even an echo.
Why did that happen?  An off-the-record conversation with the Safety Director of a top track revealed some interesting info.  Apparently, if you've broken your scull into multiple pieces, using the Eject System could potentially make your situation worse.  For this reason, tracks shun the liability issue by not using the system unless mandated by a specific org to do so.  I asked the obvious question.  If your scull is broken into multiple pieces what's even left of the helmet and how bloody seriously are you hurt already?  His response, after looking over both shoulders, was, "Lawyers make a lot of really good ideas into bad ideas, you know what I mean?"  It seem that the approved helmet removal procedure is accepted by medicine and law as safe enough and worth the risk.  In the million to one chance that you'd survived shattering your scull and the Eject system were used to remove the rag that your helmet had become, some lawyer could argue that the meds had been negligent to use it.
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 04:46:08 am »
Thank you for all the responses. I did consider getting the system but I don't want to cause confusion if the EMTs don't have the means to remove the helmet. For now I'm comfortable with the track EMT's knowledge of helmet removal and when to do so.
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2010, 10:17:19 am »
Imagine is somebody forgot to undo the strap.................

 I dont think I like the idea of a bomb in my helmet ready to go off and suffocate me.  Plus, I have never heard of someones injury being made worse by helmet removal.  Not saying that it has never happened but I haven't heard of it. 
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 12:03:03 pm »
removed my posts.

not getting involved in a heresay discussion.

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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 01:16:22 pm »
Imagine is somebody forgot to undo the strap.................

 I dont think I like the idea of a bomb in my helmet ready to go off and suffocate me.  Plus, I have never heard of someones injury being made worse by helmet removal.  Not saying that it has never happened but I haven't heard of it. 
The Eject system is essentially a folded plastic bag with a sealed tube hanging out next to your helmet strap.  Paramedics carry a rubber squeeze bulb which they use by hand to inflate the bag, lifting the helmet off your head without the need to manipulate or tug on the neck.  No bomb involved.  My primary helmet is equipped with one.
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 01:23:44 pm »
There was a similar system that failed to get picked up called Hats Off.

Almost all injuries in which the victim is wearing a helmet will be a closed skull injury. In these instances, these systems may protect the neck, if that has also incurred an injury.

On why there's some unwillingness to train and implement the systems, I'll let the lawyers debate. 
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 01:46:46 pm »
This is a good idea nomater what you say. BUT! if you put this plastic bag above your head in the helmet, basicaly you are closing almost all the ventillations at the top. Also just to let you know there is an other thing is out long time ago, even more simple. From Arai http://www.araihelmet-europe.com/2009/downloads/manuals/ENG%20AssistHood%20Resceu.pdf
It is a kinda small belt/hat thingy. Goes on your head as like a hat. On the two sides hunging out from under the helmet. When you pulling those two straps sideways easily lifting the helmet off from the riders head. Take no tension on the injured riders neck. And also no additional equippment needed.
Here is the other link: https://www.motoliberty.com/prod_detail.asp?Prod_ID=959
Also this was on the ccs board before: http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,22065.0.html
I dont understand, why people want overcomplicate everything?????
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 06:46:05 pm »
I'm surprised that no one brought up the RS Taichi Helmet Remover System.  We sell them for $20.  Elegantly simple solution. 

Go to https://www.motoliberty.com/prod_detail.asp?Prod_ID=959 to see it.
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 08:40:40 pm »
The Hats Off system may have become the Eject system but I'm not 100% sure on that.  The bag as installed is about the size of a pack of Trident gum.  It doesn't block any vents unless you have one exactly top dead center in your helmet.
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Re: Helmet Eject System
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 05:29:30 am »
I was told by some helmet people about the closed head injury issue that K3 talked about.  That seems to be some of the resistance.
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