How are the new Michelins... and other tires?

[GIGOLO]

Wasnt it just last season that DanO was chasin down Robbie Jensen... just sayin.

Yeah cause Jensen and DanO would suck on any other tire 

just sayin.....

[tstruyk]

and the "non-retards" would suck on MIchelins??    



thats my point... it really... REALLY doesnt matter as much as everyone would like to think it does.

[R1Racer99]

Doesn't Jensen refuse to ride on anything but Michelin?

As a midwest rider who prefers Michelin, I can tell you that I'm just as happy with their product, support, and contingency as you are with Pirelli. This is a good thing because we all have great choices and awesome tire guys to help us, I'm just saying that it's not exclusive to one brand.

I've used the Diablo Supercorsas for a practice and a couple of trackdays this year and the Power Ones for a couple race weekends. They are both better than the PRs and other tires I've tried in the past, but it's hard to find much fault in the Power Ones so far. Put that together with fast contingency money straight to a debit card and $385 a set and they're hard to beat. Just my opinion.

[MELK-MAN]

Greg,

It worked pretty good. I was practicing on what I am told was Nate Kerns Daytona take-offs 120/190 B-front and B-rear. Then to your V-front and B-rear 120/180. What a difference in the mannerisms of the bike. Turned in much quicker and seemed to have more traction on the side while leaned over allowing more trail brake. Seemed though that the rear spun up more but it could have been me going that much faster and driving-out harder. Frank told Marc, the owner of the Ducati 748 that the tire was done, but we used it anyway to a win.

Maybe I should try a new one next? Great tire.

Mark

The 190 rear will feel different, i found the turning side to side was only a tad slower but side grip was improved. Much of the additional side grip you felt was coming from the FRONT tire. From what video i have seen of PBIR, the V would be the front tire choice. THe B is a firmer carcas tire you may like with hard braking and turning in hard on the front brake trailing in..

If you race in the mid-west, you would be an absolute retard to not run Pirelli's.  Set-aside the fact that almost every single michelin rider I know complains about the tendency to tuck the front over Dunlop and Pirelli, is the fact that the trackside service is basically unbeatable and the price is good for what you are getting.  If you look at the pirelli forum, there is a very small number of people waiting for payouts compared to those who have already gotten theirs.  Does Michelin have a forum, or Dunlop?  I dont know if they do, but I do know that the only reason that Pirelli would go through the trouble of instituting a forum is to hear from the market what is good or what is bad.  I personally dont have a single complaint about Pirelli's product or who they have chosen as dealers.  My first weekend the Pirelli guy came to my pit out in the boonies in the middle of the day (the busiest time for tire dealers)  to see how I was getting along.  I thought that I was special, but I am not, cause he went to alot of pits that day.

Not trying to thread jack but Pirelli was getting a bad rap without an un-biased opinion, I dont get any free or discounted tires so there isnt any underlying reason to this post.  Didn't Michelin get fired from Moto GP?

This is about the most unfounded and unfactual post i have seen in some time. Im feeling a case of idiocy come on even responding to such drivel.
- ".. didn't michelin get fired from MotoGP".. that is a laugh.
-I didn't know a tire mfgr. had to have it's own forum to be a good tire.
-Do a search on OTHER forums for payout issues with Pirelli contingency. Im sure payout issues will get better, but there are more than a few having issues. Michelin has issues sometimes as well but most issues are linked to not filling out the online 1 time a year form.
-As you found, SERVICE is a big part of why a rider chooses a tire brand. ALL the tire guys of ALL the brands work thier ASS off for the customers.

Pirelli makes a GREAT tire, i don't think the point anyone made was to bash Pirelli. There are fast guys and gals going good on all the top brands of tires.. but you need to get some facts together before posting it would appear.

[roadracer162]

Greg,

My next question is this about contingency. Now that I have won two races, signed up online with Michelin, product and stickers, contingency form at the races and signed by tech...now what is my next move? should I go back to the internet site and post my finishes? Is that done for me by...I don't know who??

I am retard but I have one some races.

Mark

[red900]

What mike Gigolo meant to say is that he loves his tires and he would suggest others give them a try.   He just gets very excited about a good product, no harm meant im sure...    Plus he is also a professional shit disturber fresh from the school of Burt Munro :))


Was Dano running michelins or Dunlops during that event with Jensen? He is on Dunlops now and part of last season....

[roadracer162]

We have great support here in the Florida Region from all makes. Our Pirelli supplier in Leon Eddins is the best and really does give some good advice, even when I am on the Bridgestones (no manufacturers had tires to fit my FZR).

The only supplier that is a little short in suport is the Bridgestone with the least amount of clientel to support his business.

I know my past results that the Dunlops are great, but man the price!

Pirelli has been recommended to me by Chris at MotoCorse for my Ducati 800, but the Bridgestones have been working resonably well with a good amount of wins and great contingency. I have heard mixed opinions with the Pirelli for performance, contingency (cashing it in), and endurance. I have yet to try a set.

I am liking the Michelins on the 748 and I am seeing some good results. Maybe everyone else was just slower this weekend.

Mark

[tstruyk]

Was Dano running michelins or Dunlops during that event with Jensen? He is on Dunlops now and part of last season....

doesnt really matter in the context, wasnt Pirellii and those guys are far from retards.

not a shot at Pirelli buy any means, just makin a point that guys go good on all the brands.

[Gino230]

I'm glad someone brought this topic up. I've been considering a switch for a while now. I started out using pirellis on my Ducati 1000 (LW Bike) because that's what was recommended to me by the fast guys and I needed the confidence boost that comes with knowing that fast guys are going fast on identical tire / bike setup. I have been very happy with them for the last 4 or 5 years, won some races with them and pushed them for hours and hours in the MOTO-ST races.

Bottom line is the contingency STINKS. I still haven't gotten my measly $70 for my Daytona win in October. It's always a fight and the payouts are so weak it's incredible. Also, the Pirellis used to be a bargain, but now the prices have creeped up to $430 a set. The $299 sale tires are sold out before you even get to the track so forget that.

I don't see support as an issue since all of the vendors for FL seem great.

Michelin would seem like the choice given thier contingency program, and I'm sure they are great tires, but I'm not sure that I would be able to get up to speed very quickly on them, since making big changes tends to upset my confidence. I lowered my seat 2 inches and I'm still not matching my old times after a full weekend.

Then there's the issue of re stickering my bike which I'm not too excited about.

Mark glad to hear you like the Michelins, where did you get the takeoffs? Maybe that would be a good way to experiment a bit.

[roadracer162]

Gino,

You are right about the confidence based on what the fast guys say. I believe for me the encouragement and confidence comes from what Greg has communicated and also what Brad Graham have displayed in results. Both have been gracious in lending a hand while I do my learning.

The take-offs have been a cheap alternative to start with, but may not totally give the proper evaluative results of what a new set would provide. The first set of take-offs came from Nate Kerns bike that Marc bought for $90. Somewhere about 15 Daytona laps on them. The second set that I raced with this weekend comes from Greg and I think it was $125. Still a great deal over new.

I am very happy with the results that I have achieved for take-off tires and I believe that I will have even more confidence on tires that are fresh in new condition. I am also of the belief though that these tires get better as they get older, but that is based solely on the first set of take-offs and the ability of the tire(at my pace) to stick up to the 70 lap number I achieved with the rear 190.

One thing I have noticed is that the wear of the tire is pretty good as compared to others at my pace or slower. I don't think anyone has yet figured out why the tire wear is what it is at PBIR. I don't seem to have those problems. None of my bikes have been set up by the race professionals but I have tried to set-up a balanced bike as per advice commonly found. from there it has been trial and error to find what I like. I am certain we used your DS for a baseline geometry setting and Chris has shared those numbers.

Subjectively: The michelins stick even at full lean. The front wear is phenominal on the B-front. The V-front is a lot faster turning than the B-front especially when mated with the 180 rear. I have yet to find the traction limit of the front although I would hang pretty good with most of the Expert field in practice.

Objectively: My lap times continued to get lower and lower with each session. I did my fastest practice (best lap) on the last session and the tire was what I deemed as completely worn based on the amount of rubber left.

[MELK-MAN]

Greg,

My next question is this about contingency. Now that I have won two races, signed up online with Michelin, product and stickers, contingency form at the races and signed by tech...now what is my next move? should I go back to the internet site and post my finishes? Is that done for me by...I don't know who??

I am retard but I have one some races.

Mark

Mark
you don't have to update your finishes. You should recieve an xbux Visa card in the mail sometime soon, and you can check on your $$ on the xbux website. You will get emails everytime your card is updated with cash, or debited when you spend money off of it.
Also, i would not say the tire is "better" when the outer rain sipe is totally worn , but the "NST" (near slick technology) does have the tire working better longer and the tire is not necessarily junk once that outer sipe is gone. The smaller tread pattern is part of the improvement if  you ask me. The old PR tire had huge wide rain sipes that i think got the tire hotter faster on the drive part of the tire. They just did not last like the new tires or have that good feel at the end of the 2nd or 3rd sprint race.


Gino,
you won't have any trouble with "set up" or feeling out the new Power 1. They simply are soooo much better than the prior PR series, and im betting will give you equal confidence to any tire you have been on within the first few laps. Try a set, if you can't stand them, someone will buy the take offs. All mine are gone within a few days of any race weekend as the word is out they are very very good tires.

[roadracer162]

Greg,

Ok, cool on the contingency. I already have received the card and I am anxiously awaiting the balance to rise. I have been getting the emails for a variety of things so I know that works.

Thanks for the info on the tires. It really helps me develop a certain trust of the tires and the knowledge that I am going the right way with them.

Mark