Fluid Retention

[yamagod]

I will be running A Husqvarna TE570 in the Supersingles class this year. The rule book states four strokes must have fluid retention with a 3 quart capacity - two strokes do not require fluid retention. My crankcase holds less than a quart of oil and I have catch can installed for the carb (routed to the air box, of corse). Am I affected by this or since my oil capacity is so low, am I eliminated from this? I don't like the "final desicion at the descetion of the tech inspector". Maybe the rule should be based on oil capacity in stead of two stroke vs. four stroke.
I know I'm a small segment of the classes run but, I'd rathrer not have to fabricate something for my bike that's really not needed.
Thanks for your help.
Shane Myers AM #204

[Super Dave]

You do have an oil tank though right?

I think the capacity is pretty absolute.  It makes it so that you have a container that actually will hold fluid in while the bike is in motion.  Does that make sense?

[yamagod]

No, I do not have an oil tank. It just has a small oil capacity - it's a four stroke based on a two stroke bottom end.
And no it doesn't really make sense. I understand the value of belly pans - I don't understand why a two stroke doesn't need one and all four strokes do. I just don't want to waste  time on something that's not really necessary. Besides I don't think a dirt bike with a lower cowl will look to appealing.
Shane Myers AM #204

[Super Dave]

Neither to vintage four stroke racers.

But, regardless, if you throw a rod through the cases, your oil will come out.  Two-stroke, well, it has the oil in the fuel or tiny amounts are injected into the bearings directly.  So, if a two stroke actually busted the cases, there probably wouldn't be a mess.

If you'd like a rule change, you can submit it to CCS, but I don't think you'll get much response.  

And, asthetics never make for good safety.

[chris_chops]

Instead of reading the rules, ask what a responsible racer would do?  There are many things that seasoned, responsible racers do to their bikes for safety's sake that never show up in the rule book.  Take twenty of these responsible racers and I would say they prevent 10 accidents over the year because they were smart enough to guide themselves, instead of letting a rulebook justify irresponsible and ignorant behavior.  

The Husky needs something to keep the shifter from punching a hole in the cases in the event of a left-side crash.  Is this in the rulebook? Probably not.
Is it still preventable even if CCS is unaware of this weakness?  Yes.

Matt

[yamagod]

Man, I think you guys are getting me all wrong here! I'm not protesting the fact that the rule book says I need fluid retention because I have a four stroke! guess in my whole scheme of things I was just wondering why a two stroke would not need it and a four stroke with a low oil capacity would. Dave brought up a valid point on throwing a rod through the cases, however, EVERY two stroke I have seen throw a rod takes out the cases to the point of allowing trans lube into the cranckcase and blowing oil everywhere. Maybe the rule book should be re-writen to say that every bike needs fluid retention - not that two strokes (some with greater oil capacity than mine) are exempt.
By the way chops, your remarks seemed very condescending, do you think that because I am listed as a "NEWBIE" I don't give a crap about the safety aspect at the track? All Iwant is for EVERYONE to be able to race, pack up, and go home. It was a SIMPLE question and I just wanted some opinions not be judged as someone that doesn't care about my fellow riders. And for your info, I have taken care of the "weakness" of my Husky with a billet clutch cover - though I'm surprised you knew of it. But, are you telling me that people with GSXR's and FZR's installed crankcase covers before the rule was written? Doubtful - or were you one of the saviors that brought it to CCS's attention? Maybe you should propose the same rule for Huskys - I'm sure the aftermarket companies would appreciate it.
I'm just trying to keep the costs of racing minimal without a sacrifice in safety - I'm sorry you misunderstood.
Shane Myers AM #204

[chris_chops]

Yeah, the whole condescending thing, a smily face somewhere usually takes those thoughts away. :D  Sorry dude, I'm just real straightforward and direct.  I was just identifying that the rulebook is flawed, which you already noticed.  People like to use this as justification for irresponsible de cisions.  I will shutup and just talk to CCS from now-on.  Without commenting again on my tone, do you see the potential for people making bad decisions by only using a rulebook to guide them?
    Who makes that billet cover for the Husky.  I've got a 99' 610(cover may be diff.), which I dirtride and I've busted it twice.

Matt

[Thingy]

I've got a 99' 610Matt

Dude... You have a Husky dirtbike?  Maybe that is why I think you are alright.  You need to go riding with Weber, Hanson, and I.  Brian has a few two stroke Husky's that we take out.  Hanson got a bike for this year.  I have a quad, and if your lucky ???, I will let you take out my '72 Husky 450WR.  (Kidding.  It is a tank and would never keep up with the trail riding that we do.)

[chris_chops]

I'm ready when you are! ::) :P

[yamagod]

I can get billet covers for approximately $130 shipped to you. Delivery time is around three weeks and I plan on doing an order SOON. If you're interested please give me a call @262-547-3088 and I can get you on for your Husky.
Sorry about taking your comments out of context - I think we have the same opinions and I do think CCS should consider a rule change for the resons you stated.
Shane Myers AM #204
Lake Country Powersports