what do people think?

[Super Dave]

"Aftermarket air filter units that replace part of the O.E.M. airbox are required to maintain the original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit."

There you go.

The weekend before, we raced at Blackhawk Farms.  One of my guys had problems with the BMC filters last year.  So, he got a K&N filter this year.  But before racing, we had the tech inspector come and check the K&N.  We measured the actual inlet hole in the K&N and the stock Suzuki OEM filter.  The K&N filter's hole was bigger than the stock one.

Based on that, the K&N filter he had could not be used under the CCS Supersport rules.

In my experience, it is really hard to say what really is legal.  The aftermarket community is not really able to keep up on the racing organizations.  The racing organizations don't notify the aftermarket manufacturers.

Here's one....

I sell racing fuel to motorcycle racers, oval track car racers, snowmobile guys etc.

The current CCS fuel rules make street gasoline illegal.  Any unleaded racing fuel is illegal.  Many leaded racing fuels are illegal.  Indeed, they are working on a solution, but you don't see any fuel tech's either.

[THE_D.O.C.]

guys, we are well versed on the rule. the thing is, if after market filters are allowed. and after market filters are purchased with the premise of making more horsepower, why should one be ruled againt simply because they had the technical foresight to make a hole bigger. that's called R&D and competition. that's why some of you use vortex sprockets, and others use sprocket specialist. because vortex makes better sprockets and i use them, one could deduce that it isn't supersprt legal because it has an advantage.

bottom line: ONLY O.E.M. FILTERS SHOULD BE USED BY THE STUPID REASONING OF THAT STUPID RULE!!!

[Gixxer124]

File this under; Weight lifter DQd for not wearing shoes.  Seems the rules stated that all competitors must wear shoes. To bad the guy didn't have any legs!

[CCS]

The rule was originally introduced as a cost cutting measure, the OEM filter was $35 and a K&N was $12.95. Plus the K&N could be washed out and reused multiple times, thus increasing it's value even further. Just as the OEM bodywork rule got relaxed after new stock pieces began to retail for double or triple the aftermarket counterparts and then carbon fiber became allowable after it's price came down below OEM bodywork also.

The out-right removal of the air-filter or modification of the air-box is not allowed because the restriction of air flow afforded by these simple rules makes it impractical to even try to modifiy the intake tract, the returns would be minimal at best and not worth the effort needed and the expense required to make the modifications work with restricted airflow.

SuperSport is supposed to be a reasonable facsimile of an off the show room floor motorcycle that is well-tuned, not a bulit-to-the-hilt SuperBike under stock bodywork.

[JKHobson]

I see what your saying Kevin, however, to keep the rules clear I would like to suggest stating OEM filters only for supersport classes. If $35.00 scares riders when maintaining their machine, I don't want to see the reaction torwards the tire vendors. If modification of the airflow track produces minimal results there was no reason for Paul to strip points and revoke a first place finish. Second place rider even told Paul in the Tech Shed that I won Fair...not due to an air filter. Fact is Kevin, I messed up by not interperting the rule correctly. On the other hand, there's no reason for Paul to pass such harsh judgement. I paid my fee, ran a good race, and won fair not only by my opinion but according to the very people I beat. Paul could have asked me to have it corrected by Kershaw. And I will.

[Mongrel]

Mongrel, are you going to Vegas?  I saw your bike in the pits at Phoenix, looks nice.

No won't be able to make the Vegas date.  I have to work for the military that weekend.  Really sucks cause I like that track a lot.  Next race for me is the May 18th 19th.  Good luck up there.

[THE_D.O.C.]

The rule was originally introduced as a cost cutting measure, the OEM filter was $35 and a K&N was $12.95. Plus the K&N could be washed out and reused multiple times, thus increasing it's value even further. Just as the OEM bodywork rule got relaxed after new stock pieces began to retail for double or triple the aftermarket counterparts and then carbon fiber became allowable after it's price came down below OEM bodywork also.

The out-right removal of the air-filter or modification of the air-box is not allowed because the restriction of air flow afforded by these simple rules makes it impractical to even try to modifiy the intake tract, the returns would be minimal at best and not worth the effort needed and the expense required to make the modifications work with restricted airflow.

SuperSport is supposed to be a reasonable facsimile of an off the show room floor motorcycle that is well-tuned, not a bulit-to-the-hilt SuperBike under stock bodywork.

this is nothing but political fluff. did anyone TRULY understand this? i suppose, "you're right, it is a STUPID rule" is out of the question. this statement is from the same people who let OVERSIZED cams pass tech inspection. "well... they are hot" larry manor said as he was holding them in his stupid hand. how hot could they have been. what's next? sharkskins is illegal because they make good body work and not everyone will be smart enough or be able to afford it!! whatever. a good rider was robbed of a race win because kevin elliot and co. are to stubborn to admit the rule is flawed. ;)

[Admin]

Please don't feed the troll.

Shawn

[THE_D.O.C.]

shawn, if you are going to run a BBS, you should try to be objective. even if you don't like what is being said. if you want only pleasantries on here, then say so. we'll just call it "race motorcycles" the glee club motorcycle forum.

[Admin]

Oh sure, because I run the joint I have to be objective?   :P

There is no answer that will make you happy except that CCS's rules are wrong and they have to be changed because you don't like them.  This conversation isn't going anywhere with you jumping in every third post to rehash the same thing over and over.

If people don't understand how you feel about the issue by now, I don't think they ever will.  If you don't understand the reason why the rule is there today, I doubt you ever will.

I'm not taking sides...I really don't care one way or the other, as I ride a superbike, and don't have to worry about drivel like this :)   I can, however, understand why the rule is there without someone drawing me a picture...which is very hard in a forum like this, although not impossible if you use a .gif or something.

You have had an opportunity to have the manager of CCS hear your complaint, and respond to it multiple times.  Maybe he has even been convinced that the rule needs further clarification or should be done away with...but if you are a bit less confrontational and a bit more constructive, you would probably even get further.

As for whether this board is pleasant or not...I hope, overall, that it is.  I know the reason I started it was to give CCS racers a forum to meet and discuss issues...including this one.  Kevin even comes in here because he cares about what people have to say...this wasn't his idea.  

Shawn

[ysr612]

a person runs a bbs so he can control it.  S seems to be less controling then most.

[CCS]

JK,

These rules were written in 1984/1985, and at that time OEM filters were expensive and very resrtictive. By today's standards a thirty five dollar filter is nothing, but back then (I'm dating myself) you could get a set of race tires for $100.

Brad, the cams in Ted Cobb's bike matched OEM spec's given by Jeff Wilson at Suzuki and the shop manuals that he sent me as back up. Larry and Jim Tribou (the Suzuki Cup Head Tech from 2000, the same year this took place) measured them, gave me the results and I personally checked with Suzuki about the numbers. I still have all the original paperwork regarding that protest along with the manuals sent by Jeff. If you blame anyone, blame me for knowing who to call.

Good Day.