what do people think?

[Mongrel]

The real issue here is the SV, and the inlet size.  CCS has determined that the filter on the SV is part of the air box, and because it states "no modifications to the air box" in the rulebook, this applies to the filter also.  All the SV owners last year were hit with this rule interpretation.  It was sent out as a bulletin and was available at some of the early race events last year.  If you just bought an SV recently you may have not know this, because it has just been common knowledge with the SV riders.  If I can find it I will post the bulletin.

[LRRS#52]

  I was in second place and I can say that the filter wouldn't have effected the outcome. He had quite a distance on me.
  I guess I'd feel a whole lot different if it were only a few feet though.  ;D I don't have a problem with the rule but I do feel badly since it was an honest mistake. Who would run an illegal filter KNOWING about the post-race inspection?

Ted Temple
CCS / LRRS #52

[THE_D.O.C.]

dude, i was the one who helped you tech your bike after the race, and it was nice to meet you. my point was, the above rider could have been told of the new rule [it was his first SV race] and told to sort it out by kershaw. the point still remains that unless only O.E.M. filters can be used, what difference does it make. IMHO none!! rules like that should be made, and enforced when someone could not be able to obtain or afford something. i.e. "SUPERBIKE"

[Eric Kelcher]

Okay let's see if we can make this make sense. In days gone by, you may or may not remember depending on when you started racing, the upgrade was to remove air box and install filter pods or velocity stacks. Now with ram air removal of the pressurized air box negates any advantage you recive from the freer flowing "pods"or "stacks" so for Superbike use you run the stock, modified or aftermarket air box to maintain the pressurized system. Now you have the option of not using a filter at all or there are some superbike air filters that do not have to comply with any rules/regs.  If you read the rulebook it says must retain same number and size of air inlet openings as the stock unit  makes it pretty clear what CCS is concerned with on the filters for legal aftermarket unit in SS.
Confusing the issue would be Air filter companies designing a Superbike filter and calling it their racing version.

[THE_D.O.C.]

but you see, the rule is "counter intuitive" after market filters are allowed. k&n makes a after market filter with a competitive advantage. "claim has not been proven" it is NOT THE SAME as modifying the airbox, or removal of metal. basically, if you are going to enforce witch after market filter to use, you might as well enforce o.e.m. only in supersport. obviously if multiple riders keep getting caught out, something is not right. all i am asking is how it became a rule in the first place? what on earth could have happened to make that rule. i'm not disputing it is one. just looking for a intelligent reason of why. "because it just is" is not acceptable. i would love to tell my customers "because i said so" i wonder if they would ever call me back? ::)

bottom line.... THE RIDER WON THAT RACE FAIR AND SQUARE" no "filter" won it. they didn't have to treat him like that.

[Eric Kelcher]

I was not there, so cannot make any call at all why just insight into in general.

Like I said before it is just the line is drawn here it is, don't cross it. The fact K&N makes an exact replica with "better" flow while others go a different route that is not SS legal does not mean that the company that makes legal filters should be excluded.

I have no knowledge whether the K&N has better flow or has any advantage on that particular bike, I know some it makes less some more in back to back dyno runs.

Oh and this was not a new rule I have 01 and 02 rules here and the 01 shows it as a new rule for 01 I don't have 00 to tell what it was changed from.

[THE_D.O.C.]

once again ::) i'm just asking the intellectual basis on WHY the rule was made. i'm not disputing it as a rule. it wasn't my race, i would just like to know the madness behind the method.

[Roach]

once again ::) i'm just asking the intellectual basis on WHY the rule was made. i'm not disputing it as a rule. it wasn't my race, i would just like to know the madness behind the method.

They're screwed no matter what they do - if they made the rule "OEM filter required" as you suggested, they'd have people complaining that company X is making an exact replacement for less money. The rule, however, would be much more clear-cut and easier to enforce.

That would be my guess as to why the rule is the way it is - to allow cheaper replacement filters to be used as long as they are the same as the OEM part.

Kevin?

- Roach

[Admin]

once again ::) i'm just asking the intellectual basis on WHY the rule was made. i'm not disputing it as a rule. it wasn't my race, i would just like to know the madness behind the method.

Although I don't claim to be any kind of genious, I'm sure it is there to set a limit on what is considered "supersport" vs. what is considered "superbike".

Your question has been answered about five times already...there is no requirement that you like the answer.

Shawn

[THE_D.O.C.]

no shawn it hasn't. it has only been said that it is the rule. thanks for YOUR VALUBLE input as well. boy you know, WERA'S BBS doesn't dodge issues or get pissed when touchy subjects are brought up. this isn't a glee club, it is where issues about racing are brought up. so yet once again, what is the rule for. kevin? or anyone else with cerebral grey matter?

[Mongrel]

Hey, D.O.C. why don't you tell us what you want us to say?  That way we can get you to shut-up with your fricken whining.  How's that for some straightforward wera bbs type chat.

[Litespeed]

The RULE:

Original equipment air box must remain as produced.  Air filters must be used but may be Aftermarket units.  Aftermarket air filters are restricted to units available via normal commercial channels and designed for that specific model machine.  Aftermarket air filter units that replace part of the O.E.M. airbox are required to maintain the original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit.

I posted that because it should at least help some readers see what they are up against.  If I bought a filter and it looked like it had much more filter area than stock I would assume the "air inlet opening" did not "maintain the original size".  It's unfortunate that the person was DQ'd over it, but he has a rule book and should have asked ahead of time.

My position on why the rule exists is to keep the supersprt bikes performing like supersport bikes.  They allow the aftermarket filters as a cost savings to the racers but limit the area so that one filter manufacturer doesn't make the bike have an obvious advantage over another.  The purpose of supersport racing is to try to make the bikes equal so that the better rider will prevail, not so someone can ask the same stupid question over and over on a Forum.

Mongrel, are you going to Vegas?  I saw your bike in the pits at Phoenix, looks nice.