HIGHWAY FREAKING ROBBERY!!!

[Gixxer124]

       I guess I'm comparing apples to oranges here. All my experience has been with drag racing. They seem to have more community envolvement as far as sponsorship for each event. Lots of automotive type businesses put up money every week. This  allows the track to charge less and still payout the same.                                                                            I would like to bring my family with me to the track but can't afford it. Just my $.04.
 (see, everything has gone up.) :D
Kevin, I'll stop whinning now.

[Interested Bystander]

Interesting thread ... hey D.O.C., have you bought your Clear Channel stock yet?

[THE_D.O.C.]

no, i like companies with promise for the future. hell CCS and Clear channel can't get 5000 spectators into daytona when there are over half a million enthusiasts in town!!!

[CCS]

Clear Channel is not the promoter of any Daytona events, just the sanctioning body. Daytona International Speedway is the promoter of the event, and they don't have too much trouble with getting a crowd when they really want one. Until Laguna's SBK event last year, Daytona had the record for paid admissions to a motorcycle road race event in the U.S., so I would guess they can sell tickets whenever they want to.

[THE_D.O.C.]

you are talking about the daytona 200, not sanctioned by CCS. ::) how many did FUSA draw?

[CCS]

Ask the speedway, they will not give us the spectator information.

The only promotor allowed by DIS is ISC, and we are not privy to their information. They promote CCS, Formula USA, Grand-AM, Nascar, WKA, Supercross and anything else that runs as a spectator event at the speedway, including the Daytona 200 by Arai.

[THE_D.O.C.]

well, maybe someone from clearchannel could foster some relationships and get say 10% of the motorcycle riders that are in town and dying for something to do?!? 8)

[TightSqueeze]

Roach, I'd be willing to put all of my credentialing up against yours. Now, if you prefer to be a head of cattle mindlessly following the ass in front of you to slaughter, go right ahead. Me personally, if I see something that is crap, I will surely say so. I say CCS is either lying about their growth, or they are gouging their consumers with higher entry fees and gate fees. If you want to spout 10th grade economics and talk about what markets will bear, go right ahead. Hey, in your tenth grade economics class did they talk about inflation? It's caused by one thing...... GREED. You see, cost of living goes up as people creep up the cost of goods and services. Just like............. YOU GUESSED IT!!!! CCS IS DOING NOW!!!  I'd be curious if you want to continue this discussion and keep calling me uneducated. I'm sure my business volume, revenues, and profits smoke yours. Cheers.
                                             BRAD WILSON

C'mon ROACH!  At least tell him that you retired last year, and that he should enjoy his unfounded claims as you sit around in your underwear trying to decide which nut to scratch next. :D

[skimp]

I can see how a small organization like ccs could have a hard time making enough money to float, no matter who owns them. No business owners are going to keep pouring money into a losing effort just so guys like us have a place to race. Every business has the right in this free country of ours to make money. If anyone can't live with the fact that some of their money will trickle into the hands of someone who is not losing there shirt, you should absolutely refuse to give them another penny. In fact, if I felt as strongly about it as some do, I would be ashamed to participate in such a rip off. Condoning such unethical business practices makes you as guilty as they are! You are promoting this ruthless giant when you should never give a den of thieves resources with which they take advantage of other people. As for some of us, we are glad to have a financially stable organization to keep us racing. hopefully, when the economy is less active, we will still have a place to race. GO GUYS

[Roach]

C'mon ROACH!  At least tell him that you retired last year, and that he should enjoy his unfounded claims as you sit around in your underwear trying to decide which nut to scratch next. :D

Nah... nothing to be gained there. I'm sure he's much more successfull than I  8)

I did, however, send out an email to the various economic discussion sites. I explained that they should stop discussing cost-pull, cost-push, and supply vs. demand in a free-market economy as causes of inflation since it's all hogwash. Brad Wilson knows the real cause of inflation - people are just greedy!

The downside, of course, is the ensuing glut of unemployed macro economics professors that's sure to follow this revelation.

- Roach

[jeff leonard]

Brad,  I started racing over ten years ago and have raced with virtually every organization, club level and pro.  CCS ten years ago under Roger Edmundson charged 50.00 per race period, no refund policy, if you crashed on saturday and could not make your 8 races on Sunday, oh well that's racing.  With the Pro Series the entries were even higher and the track time was less.  Todays gate fees are within 5.00 a day of what they were ten years ago and at some tracks they are still the same.  Why dont you call up your local race track and ask what their rent was 10 years ago and what it is today!  I also feel that you haven't taken into account that all the staff people and corner workers at your races are being paid for their services, long gone are the days when everyone was a volunteer for love of the sport.  Only a few tracks still have volunteer corner workers.  And these secret books that you refer to with Mr. Elliott are not that secret.  Just call a track and get a rental rate for the weekend, then set up ambulances, staff, insurance, cornerworkers, feed them all for two days and pay numerous incidental track fees such as camping and restroom charges, oh and get trophies for everyone and don't forget the purses and contingency.  I am well aware of all this because I am now a race director for CCS and I am amazed that they are able to continue putting on races with the huge expense and close profit/loss margin they work with.  If you want to get a better idea of what I am talking about, you should volunteer your services for a weekend at a CCS event, if after that you still think it is money gouging,racer abusing organization I would personally refund your 50.00 gate fee.  You have alot of pent up anger, you need to help with the solution if you feel there is a problem rather than bashing it.  Racing is expensive, maybe you should take up kite flying, parks are free.   ;D

[skimp]

I think someone should be raising mortal ____ with Hewlet Packard, Compaq, and Sony for gouging us with computer prices. What a rip off. And how about the nerve of those auto-makers. Can you believe it. I think I'll take a look at their books! Everyone is welcome to march in and check out this bunch of thugs. Aren't they? Or is some one elses business, someone elses business? CCS need not defend their cost or diclose proffit or loss to anyone. They need to make a proffit like any other business you do business with. Have you interigated Cicuit city? Maybe Wal-Mart? Do you own a computer or boeeow one? Have you eaten at Mcdonalds more tha once? You know how much they charge now. You have to watch them suckers, ya know? I would like to see CCS, WERA, and every other racing body just simply say " It's none of your business" like anyone else in business. They owe no explanations to anyone , and as far as I know have not lied about how much it is going to cost to play this game. Keep up the good work, give us lot's of track time and 99.9 of us will come with the fees we are aware of and have a blast racing and not try to pry into things that are none of our business.                 Jeff Mckinney