Rules proposal - 3.4.2 - For 2008 REV 4/03/07

[Super Dave]

Proposal

Current rule:

3.4.2 - CCS Series Gridding Procedures
 A. Unless otherwise stated, riders will be gridded in order of entry for CCS Sprint Events.  (Note:  CCS affiliates may use different grid order procedures.  Check with the local organization for specific information on gridding.)


Proposed Rule Change

3.4.2 CCS Series Gridding Procedures
 A. Unless otherwise stated, riders will be gridded pre entered riders first by most current regional class points standings, post entered riders by order of entry.  If a rider has points in multiple regions, the highest point standing will be used.  (Note:  CCS affiliates may use different grid order procedures.  Check with the local organization for specific information on gridding.)
     i.  Riders will be gridded for opening regional events by order of entry.

Proposal - Version MkII

3.4.2 CCS Series Gridding Procedures
 A. Unless otherwise stated, riders will be gridded pre entered riders first by most current regional class standings with host region riders first, other region riders at random; post entered riders by order of entry.  If a rider has class standings in multiple regions, the highest class standing will be used.  (Note:  CCS affiliates may use different grid order procedures.  Check with the local organization for specific information on gridding.)
     i.  Riders will be gridded for opening region events by order of entry only.

[Super Dave]

I have not made this proposal formally to Kevin or Eric at this time.  I would appreciate input on ways to potentially improve this idea.

I understand that there are those that prefer to have entries based on pre entry dates.  This rule is probably something that you're not going to support.

There are many that do recognize that their grids are determined by their entry.  I, and I'm sure others, recognize that there is a great deal of cyniscism about grids.  "I'm gridded there because I didn't pre enter for the whole season in December."

Yes, a really good rider can win from the back. 

But is it reasonable to try to reward consistent customers?  I feel that it is.  I've always felt that there are ways to try to keep racers involved in the sport a little longer than the two to three years that seem to be the average.  I've always felt this was a way to reward those who are regular competitors with an organization.

Certainly, this opportunity would only apply to those CCS areas that are under the direct control of CCS.  Other entities such as Henry's region in Florida, Dean's region in the Great Plains, and the LRRS region would have the opportunity to use or not use this system.

I have discussed this possibility over many, many years.  The software was not available to CCS in the 2001 era, but I would think that it should be an opportunity now. 

Personally, I haven't been entering as many races as I used to just a few years ago because of this gridding issue. 

I look forward to replies.

[SnacktimeKC]

You'd think with all the fancy computers in the world these days this wouldn't be that hard to implament. It's got my support.   -Snack

[wolf44]

+1

[bambam]

 I ike to pre register so for grid position but that is really only so that the fast guys have to pass me. in a short race it gives me a better chance at a better finish.

[JBraun]

For 2008, fine.

If they did it this year I would probably blow a gasket. A change like this would need to be made before pre-entries opened for the year.

[Sobottka]

For 2008, fine.

If they did it this year I would probably blow a gasket. A change like this would need to be made before pre-entries opened for the year.

+1!!  i busted my ass to pre-reg for this season! 

[Court Jester]

i think it should be based on points. if you are doing the full season and you are busting your butt to make the races, that shows you are a good customer as well as shows you are fighting for something. i think grids should be done by points. just my two cents

[PJ721]

yup...makes sense to reward the ones that do the best and race the most often...

[Super Dave]

Totally agree on the 2008 thing guys.  Really this is the best time to probably develop and submit a proposal.  We'll all be available to get ideas, etc.  By the time fall and winter hits, we all loose momentum.

If there is anything that could be done to improve this, or to cover ground that isn't covered for various contingencies, I would appreciate the input.

[weggieman]

Damn all that points and pre-entry crap. I wanna see heat races!!!

[catman]

+1 on some of the faster guys up front =less side by side racing- things will spread out quicker without incidents usually...It is just clubracing where safety is #1........But JB is right - preentries have been made for the season already,by some folks, great 4 "08"