No mas AMA Superstock...

[onedwn5up]

You guys are funny.  Running with people with an AMA license is nothing sorry. 

Thanks for the belittlment. You need to examine your words or  statements a little more carefully before making them. No one appreciates condescedning comments.

And if that doesn't work out for you, you might need to go back to moderating your own forum board.

[G 97]

You guys are funny.  Running with people with an AMA license is nothing sorry.  As for the rest of the list of AMA offenses, you guys weren't around 10 years ago were you?  It's night and day different now and getting better. 

+1

[weggieman]

Things are getting a little testy here..........

Listen, Mongo knows of what he speaks, he didn't just fall off the turnip truck. We both sit on the "new" AMA roadracing rules committee and along with the 12 other members are working hard to get things as they should be. it's not going to happen overnight. As mongo said, "you weren't around ten years ago were you?" It's a lot different today.

You're upset about a rule change. That happens, and yes sometimes without prior notice. Fact is AMA needed to set a higher standard for racers. That's not a bad thing. More experience won't hurt anyone.

From the sounds of your posts it doesn't seem as you were ready for an AMA license. You need to remember this is a professional race series not a club series. With one season as an amateur and a partial season as an expert does not give you enough experience to run AMA pro. I'm not talking about talent , I'm talking experience. Yes, you may know people that hold a license they got under the old system, that does not mean they were ready for it. Obviously AMA changed their mind about it and changed the rule. No harm, no foul, go out and get the points.

Not to be condescending or anything else but most likely you do not have a future in AMA pro racing as a factory rider anyway so what is the hurry to get into it? Just to say you hold an AMA pro license?

Trust me, you will appreciate all the experience you can get when you get on the track with a group of top AMA pros. They are far and away so much faster than anyone you have ridden against to this point.

All and all the whole rule change was in the name of safety because there were too many people getting AMA licenses before they were truly ready for it.

[weggieman]

Dave.....unfortunately the rule proposal page is a "technical" rule page only.

There are issues that many people want to discuss with AMA that are operational but so far AMA has held tight to the idea that those issues are not to be discussed beyond the board room. It's unfortunate but until that mind set is changed that's the way it will be.

[spyderchick]

Thanks for the considered reply, Gordie. I was actually thinking of you when I wrote my post watching what's written. 

Of course we know you and Mongo did not fall off the turnip truck, it was a horse drawn wagon, fercrissake. 

[Super Dave]

Wagon?  I though it was just a couple sticks pulled by a horse.

[ecumike]

I'm telling you... it'll be the USPGRU 125 class.  Save this thread so I can say "I told you so".

I keep saying it but nobody seems to be listening.   

Sure we have 2 rounds THIS year... if all goes well, just wait and see what next year holds.   

[weggieman]

no wagon, no sticks, no horses.........just us horses asses running around...

[onedwn5up]

Not to be condescending or anything else but most likely you do not have a future in AMA pro racing as a factory rider anyway so what is the hurry to get into it? Just to say you hold an AMA pro license?

Who said i was trying to become a factory rider? Where did that come from? All I said that it is messed up that the license requirement has changed from 100 points to 300 points with no notification to current racers or those planning to get their ama license. I am not trying to get my license to pose, so that I can say I have it. That couldn't be further off base and I don't even know where such a statement would come from. My point was that the whole point requirement change threw a major wrench in my plans. And I think the point change is bs an non-merited. It's not going to make things any safer and all its going to do is keep newer riders from entering the series as soon as they are physically capable with speed and ability. And it puts more financial strain on privateer hopefuls as it increases the amount of time it will take to get there. In some cases finances are limited so getting out there as soon as possible is a priority to gain the support of sponsors and the sort. Plus you want to do whatever you can before the finances or your body wear out.

But whatever. this is a fruitless argument. All I was looking for was some agrement with the fact that the un-notified rule/point change was unfair to riders already working a course of progression towards their pro-expert license advancement. I didn't need anyone telling me I'll never be a factory rider or that I need more experience. If I have 100 points and can put down the lap times I think I earned the right to have a spot on a pro grid. But apparently not. 

I would like to see an official statement from the ama board of officials as to why the change was made and why there isn't a clause in place for current expert licensed riders who didn't apply even though they were eligible as well as those that were expert licensed prior to the rule change. Because these are the people that are getting screwed.

[weggieman]

It just seems you're awfully fired up over a rule only delays your license a little longer. 

You talk about your plans ............. which were? I guess I don't understand why this upsets you so much. I haven't read anything in your posts to explain your rush to get into AMA racing.

Sorry, no agreement here on your gripe.

[Super Dave]

I'll change this argument a bit.

The AMA needs to focus its efforts onto the riders and teams that are invested in the AMA series.  Any good business puts effort into keeping its current customers happy. 

The AMA Pro Road Racing Series has several factory teams, some satellite teams, and some support teams.  There even some good independent teams.  Yes, there are new AMA riders entering, or potentially entering, the AMA competition paddock, but they still need to show up and compete, put down the lap times, and make it into the show.  In dirt track, it's hard to make it into the show.  I think dirt track is better for that.

Honestly, the manufacturers have done a lot to offer a good chunk of change at regional events where locals should shine and could make money back.  This includes additional contingencies from tire manufacturers, etc. in CCS, WERA, AFM, and so on.  Those places are great marketing opportunities for amateur and expert road racers to develop actual programs that might be of value to their sponsors and fun for friends and family without the excessive costs that occur at AMA events.

[Mongo]

Thanks for the belittlment. You need to examine your words or  statements a little more carefully before making them. No one appreciates condescedning comments.

And if that doesn't work out for you, you might need to go back to moderating your own forum board.

If you don't want condescension then don't make stupid comments or make comments proving you have no clue what you're talking about.  It's a simple formula.