Would you like to see your setup info along with lap times on the web?

[tstruyk]

scott are you suggesting a single place of reference for each individual rider to access so that if say they had a laptop and wireless connection at the track they could upload their information into a secure area?  I could see a benefit for those that dont have the means to create/manage their own webspace, and having it stored on the web would make it accessable from anywhere... home/office/track... I could see a benefit for that.  As for MY set up info... I can see 2 points.  Set ups can be shared, not always and not every situation... but it can happen.  People spend serious amounts of time and money on setups (some more time and some more money) I wouldnt want that information made public.  you think mladin and spies share information on set up?  and they are on the same team!

I understand what Mike's saying... have at it and good luck.  I noticed in a picture of his bike his front end geometry is WAY different than mine... I wouldnt use his setup, there is clearly something different between us (other than 2-3 seconds per lap) but once baselines are established, maybe its the changes to the baseline that I would be more concerned with from track to track!

So for personal use... yes, IMO some would share a benefit.  All public...I wouldnt partake.

[r1owner]

Tim,

Pretty much.... it was never my intent to make someone's setup public.  I just thought it would be a good tool to see what setup created the fastest lap time at a particular track on a particular day and be able to keep it in one place.  I know sometimes entering and finding info on a computer is more painful than just writing it in a notebook.  The cool thing here would be you would be able to easily compare your laptimes to your setup for that particular race. 

The problem with it (at least as far as setup goes) is that you would have to write the info down somewhere initially, then enter it in again when you have web access.  Not really the best situation.

The laptimes would be the only thing that would be public, unless the user wanted to make their setup public.

[ecumike]

Curious...  why would I put my setup on a Web site, and not just on my own computer or in a notebook.. both of which would serve as a 'single point of reference'.

My opinion, the only reason to put them on the Web is to either:
1.  Share it with others who don't have access to my notebook or computer.
2.  Have access to the data if I don't have my notebook or computer with me.

So being said that...
1. Lap times - would be cool to know they all are always available for you to look at... but I think the novelty would wear off.  I find myself only caring about my single 'best' time of the weekend now.
2.  I don't know when I'd ever need access to my setup data when I'm not either working on my bike, or have my computer or notebook with me.

So, I say the juice isn't worth the squeeze on this one.

[r1owner]

Curious...  why would I put my setup on a Web site, and not just on my own computer or in a notebook.. both of which would serve as a 'single point of reference'.

By single point of reference, I meant you could relate a setup to a set of laptimes and it would be accessible in one place.   Do you currently have a spreadsheet with the info or something?

I am leaning towards your point of view (as evidenced by my previous post) that it would not be worth it to keep it on the web.  Like you said when you are most likely to need it (at the track), you won't have web access anyway.

[ecumike]

Yes, that's why I say that. 
I have a 'track data' sheet that I made. Keeps track of all my setup info, etc for the day, as well as for each session I'm out on the track. I fill it out after every session.  Have a binder with all the sheets in it. Currently, I have 2+ years of data... makes setup for each track, for every condition, a breeze. No more guessswork... even for a 2-stroke.   

If you/anyone's interested, I'll be glad to upload it and post a link to it for you to have and modify.

[BRG]

You're right, I am just a club racer.  Not in it for the money.  But I do as a consumer know when an owner is a knucklehead... and I'll surely take my business elsewhere....

How about this... you know so much more about racing than me (that's a fact not being a smartass)... how about a constructive post on what types of things a racer may want to track?  I merely answered the other guys question about it could be possible for them to share it if they wished.

My point in this whole question is whether it would be worth it to a racer to be able to keep track of their setup (on the web for a single place of reference) as it relates to their respective track times.... do you have something to contribute to this end?

Owner?? I don't own anything that has to do with roadracing.

"I'm not in it for the money" This may be the only smart thing you have said.

"You know so much more about racing"  Well I know a little, But I sure would not post it on the internet for free.

My contribution. Setup, "yes" keep a note book of base line settings for each track you go to. This may or may not help as there are way to many variables and just when you think you have all the variables covered......... your fooling yourself. Learn how to evaluate your setup and make changes in the right direction. This take years for some and the average career for a racer is 2-3 years.

Just have fun and try not to kill yourself, there's more to life after racing your motorbike!

Baker

[Gixxerblade]

Yes, that's why I say that. 
I have a 'track data' sheet that I made. Keeps track of all my setup info, etc for the day, as well as for each session I'm out on the track. I fill it out after every session.  Have a binder with all the sheets in it. Currently, I have 2+ years of data... makes setup for each track, for every condition, a breeze. No more guessswork... even for a 2-stroke.  

If you/anyone's interested, I'll be glad to upload it and post a link to it for you to have and modify.

I already have one on my website. Don't know where I got it but thanks to whoever gave it to me.
http://www.roadracemotorcycles.com/TuningAndLapChart.doc

[Scott]

Since Baker "owns nothing that has to do with roadracing" what's he doing here?  He's so jaded about racing he's forgotten the days when amateur racers like ourselves had a good time and actually enjoyed the sport and would  help out a buddy (or a stranger, if they were pitted next to us).  I doubt Scott ever imagined Tommy Hayden was going to post his set-up online.

I bet Baker also belongs to a knitting forum and harasses old ladies on what kind of knots they use.  (Then says "hey, I'm no knitter, but there is no way that shawl will turn out using those needles!")

[BRG]

I am not jaded in anyway. I do have a very dry sence of humor. I also do help out a few racers, Andy Feuersthauler, I do his suspension work etc... I also help out a few AMA regulars. I have moved on to other things but still have a small interest in motorcycle racing that may get me to the track once a year. This was simply a response to question that is common sense in any form of racing. Why would anyone want to give out there setup info. This is racing, that is part of the sport. It would make no sense to post your setup info. on the web or trade setup info with anyone you compete against.  Prime example the entire Yosh team. There is really not much more to say. This was not a personal attack, but you seem to have taken it that way, thats your problem. It also seem that most of the people that talk shit are the ones that don't post who thay really are. 

Baker

[BRG]

I guess scott came to his AM senses!

[G 97]

Since Baker "owns nothing that has to do with roadracing" what's he doing here?  He's so jaded about racing he's forgotten the days when amateur racers like ourselves had a good time and actually enjoyed the sport and would  help out a buddy (or a stranger, if they were pitted next to us).  I doubt Scott ever imagined Tommy Hayden was going to post his set-up online.

I bet Baker also belongs to a knitting forum and harasses old ladies on what kind of knots they use.  (Then says "hey, I'm no knitter, but there is no way that shawl will turn out using those needles!")

GMAFB

[jer271]

UH....Scott, BRG can dust his old ass off, , then run a 2hour endurance and kick OUR ASSES!! So go pound sand