What Made Buell Illegal

[BRG]

Tommy,
stop punching your clown and put your pants back on.

The bike is based off the street model, aaaaaaaaaaaa this f-cking sh1t is going in circles. The bike is legal, if you don't like it to bad.

Tommy I am going to put you in a komura next time I see you, assclown.  ;D

[Super Dave]

are based on The motorcycles in this class must have the following engine displacements:

450cc-600cc multi-cylinder
595cc-750cc liquid-cooled twin-cylinder
850cc-1350cc air-cooled twin-cylinder    

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you can go out and buy a 600rr then ride it home. you cannot ride a XBRR on the street.
 all being said, we know it is a limited production, factory superbike/FX machine that you could buy(if you have the connections). why not build this from a production XB12r? then there would be no grey areas.
 what about the fact that all the classes in AMA Pro RoadRacing are for street based motorcycles?
  to me, the XBRR is a GP bike, technically. as a matter of fact, this topic is up in the CRA right now.

Oh, yeah, and you could get a CBR600RR like Miguel's Daytona winning bike too to ride on the street.

Same difference.  Same goes for their HRC parts in Supersport too, which is a tighter rule class.  You're not going to ride it home either.

You're gonna start with something.  Who's race bike, other than a GP bike, started life with race glass on it?  An XBRR can be built from an XB12R with parts that have been used on other XB12R street bikes to make them more "race appropriate".

A real GP bike is different.  

Is a R1 LE a GP bike then?  Limited production?  Parts are available?  You could build one, but you couldn't run it in Superstock or Superbike with an aftermarket slipper clutch according to the rules, I believe.

I don't have a love for Buell's, per se, but there seems to be some deep seated concern for something that just simply fits the rules.

[tstruyk]

AMA Chevrolet Superbike Championship and are based on production four-stroke street motorcycles. The motorcycles in this class must have the following engine displacements:

isnt the XBRR based off of a production motorcycle?  thats how I would interpret the rule... not that it has to BE a production platform...just based off of one... pretty vague... i'm with SD on this one, I like the color it brings to the series, one more thing to look out for vs watching the miguel zemke show of last year hoping that robbie would crack a podium or 2!

[cb186]

Oh, yeah, and you could get a CBR600RR like Miguel's Daytona winning bike too to ride on the street.

Same difference.  Same goes for their HRC parts in Supersport too, which is a tighter rule class.  You're not going to ride it home either.

You're gonna start with something.  Who's race bike, other than a GP bike, started life with race glass on it?  An XBRR can be built from an XB12R with parts that have been used on other XB12R street bikes to make them more "race appropriate".

A real GP bike is different.  

Is a R1 LE a GP bike then?  Limited production?  Parts are available?  You could build one, but you couldn't run it in Superstock or Superbike with an aftermarket slipper clutch according to the rules, I believe.

I don't have a love for Buell's, per se, but there seems to be some deep seated concern for something that just simply fits the rules.

can you ride a cbr600rr on the street? how about a R1LE? an R7? yep to all of those. can you ride a XBRR on the street?

i'm not against the Buell running, i like that there will be more variety out there. i am playing devils advocate(sort of) in staying that by the rules the buell shouldnt be legal. now, if they were selling this as a race kit that you put on your XB12R, then there would be no arguing to be done.

[WebCrush]

can you ride a cbr600rr on the street? how about a R1LE? an R7? yep to all of those. can you ride a XBRR on the street?

i'm not against the Buell running, i like that there will be more variety out there. i am playing devils advocate(sort of) in staying that by the rules the buell shouldnt be legal. now, if they were selling this as a race kit that you put on your XB12R, then there would be no arguing to be done.

Does anyone have any hard factual information that the bike isn't in fact an XB12r with a kit?  What does the title say?  If you ran the VIN, what model would it say?

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions based upon a press release which is designed to hype things up.

Lets not forget that Suzuki SBK teams kind of 'forgot' to put VINs on their bikes last year at Daytona.  Not reprocussions there.

[PJ721]

according to RRW page 33 just above the pic 1st column...."The XB-RR starts with a standard XB Lightning Long Frame, which has extra fuel capacity within it's twin aluminum spars, up to 4.4 gallons....."
so guess that means it's BASED on a production bike then....

[Mongo]

Chad - it's not GP or even close.  It is a street bike modified for racing by a shop, in this case rather than buying a used Graves bike, or a new bike and paying someone like KWS to build it, you're paying Buell to do the work for you and they're giving you a nice discount since they're keeping all the street stuff you don't need.  

Considedring it anyhting else is ludicrous.

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

an R7? yep to all of those.

Technically if you are nitpicking, the R7 isnt street legal in the US. It was never submitted for DOT approval. ;D Doesnt stop someone from getting it titled. Aprilia RS250's arent supposed to be street bikes here either but yet they somehow manage to sneak by teh EPA ban in some states. ;D

[Fat_Nate]

I read Cycle News last night, and it seems that the frame is stock, but some of the engine modifications are . . . pretty amazing?  For example, taking the stock engine cases, melting them down and re-casting the material into different cases.  I guess that's a "modification."  

Cycle News also report that the XBRR makes 150 hp?  What do the Formula Xtreme bikes make?

I think it's arguably within the rules, and definitely worth going to see in action.  (Get there early!)Anyone expect these bikes to race during the CCS races the week before?

[Super Dave]

150 crank HP.  Might be 115 to 135 RWHP.

Supersport 06 R6's with a pipe are making over 110RWHP.  I think there were AMA Yamaha 600's making 119 to 125+.

[JBraun]

At least with honda out and yamaha and buell in, there might be more than two bikes in the race this year.
I'd love to see an american bike win a championship whether I care for buells or not.
I just hope someone told harley that the races are 20 laps long....

[Super Dave]

can you ride a cbr600rr on the street? how about a R1LE? an R7? yep to all of those. can you ride a XBRR on the street?

I'm not sure what your point is.

I rode my TZ250 on the street.

The examples that you give above for apparently "streetable" bikes don't get raced in the exact form that they come from teh show room.  And that includes me as well as other racers, as well as AMA factory race teams.

An XBRR is a XB12R that is finished for racing.  Rules for air cooled twins are different for four cylinder liquid cooled bikes than for four cylinder liquid cooled bike because they are not efficient in their design.  

Some people buy bikes that are already race prepared from other shops and individuals.  Those bikes aren't "street bikes" based on your concern.  My R6 has never seen a mile with a license plate.  Does that make it any less than what it is:  a production based bike developed for street use that has been converted to racing duty.  

Yamaha doesn't offer me a "race" R6.  One with brake lines, a Yamaha FI/ignition box, gearing, no lights, etc.  If they did, I'd probably be in line to buy one.

Ducati's offering one.  What's your take on that?  Do you racognize that as a "GP" bike too?

Aprilia RS250s certainly aren't "GP" bikes.