Triumph 675 in LW classes!!!!????

[Super Dave]

Triumph has had spec classes before.  

They were really heavy bikes.  The 600 Triumphs were middlewieight bikes.

955...I think there was a spec class in like 1997 for them.  Didn't they have three valve heads or something?  For some bikes, like Ducati's, the valve train set up (2V, 3V, 4V, 5V) can be mitigating factors to the performance.  

Anyway, what is the 675?  Four valve three cylinder with probably 100 RWHP.

[danch]

'97 t595 (which was the original 955cc Daytona) was 4 valve.

The motor's state of tune was changed quite a bit in '02 (or maybe before) - they sacrificed some mid range for more top end. The '02s also had upgraded suspension and were maybe a little lighter (esp. the double sided swing arm)

If the 123 crank HP on the 675 relates to rear wheel the same way the quoted 149 of the '02 955 dies, 110 hp at the wheel would what I'd expect with a slip on and tune. This is based on my 955 making 134.

[WebCrush]

Isn't this an 'unofficial' board, no connection to CCS itself? If so, there couldn't be much influence there. Triumph has banner ads all over for this thing. The one here did surprise me because it's my understanding that Triumph is not supporting racers at all - not even to the extent of getting them specs or pattern bodywork ahead of time.

Google ads function in that they provide an advertisement based upon the content of the webpage being used.  The text of the page is scanned and used as keywords for the advertisement.  If you start a thread about Trumph's, expect to see a trumph ad.  Start a thread about Dodge and you'll see the same thing happen.

[danch]

D'oh. I've gotten so that I don't even read "Ads by Goooooogle"!

And I've been reading a lot of 675 threads.

[Jack_Brock]

So what? No conspiracy theory?  ;D

[stk0308]

They were really heavy bikes.  The 600 Triumphs were middlewieight bikes.
 

So what you all are saying is the sanctioning body has little confidence in the competitive ability of Triumphs non 4 cyl bikes, so they throw them a bone?  ;D

 

955...I think there was a spec class in like 1997 for them.

There was a Speed Triple spec class, but that was the old first generation triple that was 885cc.  I don't recall a T5 based series.

I'd also like to point out that Triumph won the AMA Pro Thunder class a couple years.  Maybe that's what your thinking of.  j/k

[Thumper881]

Mike, At first glance the numbers seem to be better. More HP, less wt. . My engine is alot lighter. In race trim mine is lighter. More Lt.Wt. bits for Ducs.Personally I'm not against it yet. It's not as clear to me as the XB-9 was. In the past there were more classes to run different bikes. Without entry levels to sustain them were down to only 2 as I see it. Ultra-Lt. & Lt. Wt. I feel we should welcome the newcomers & see how it pans out.Just do what you do best. Stick that little bike up the inside & don't look back! ;D

[Zac]

In any case, CCS had better set the rules straight before the first race of the year (which would be Feb. in the SW).  Any change to the rules midseason with regards to bike classification is a mistake.  People should have the oppertunity to plan their season and set goals.  If your goal is a LW class championship, and after a couple races someone decides your bike is to fast and has to bump up to MW, now you are screwed out of either championship.

The best compromise might be to not allow the Triumph in LWSS, but allow it in LWSB (I seem to remember some of the Ducatis being affected like this before).

In any case, It won't affect me personally.  I race LWGP, and there isn't anything stopping someone from showing up with a world GP level 250, with every part replaced with Ti or carbon.   100+ hp and 200 lbs.  It doesn't bother me, I realize someone will always have a faster bike, we all just have to deal with it.

-z.

[Super Dave]

I'm with you...won't affect me really, unless I get my H1 running or it is a really fast bike in the middleweight classes.

And for those that think the Triumph doesn't belong in LW...

Have you bothered to send your thoughts to CCS?  If not, you have no voice.

[chris_chops]

I'm with you...won't affect me really, unless I get my H1 running or it is a really fast bike in the middleweight classes.

Haven't you been getting that thing running for like the last four years?  I've been waiting to see you in f-usa thunderbike.  Speaking of which, wouldn't the trump be allowed in F-usa thunderbike as per last years rules.  When are we gonna see a 2006 ASRA rulebook?

[Super Dave]

Unfortunately, it will be going on six years.  I have the frame done.  Wheels are laced up.  Swingarm is ready.  I have some cr@ppy shocks to start with.  Tank and tail are painted.

Crank needs to go to Australia, and that can't happen until January.  Trans will get shipped out too.  I can do that sooner rather than later.

It's still gonna be a while.  Once we have the motor ready, then it should be easier.

[PJ721]

I'm just looking through the '06 Draft of the rulebook

http://www.ccsracing.us/forms/2006/2006%20Rulebook.pdf

and it doesn't show the Triumph 675 being able to run as LW in any class...but the new racer mailer download does... ???