Daytona Storm Question

[kmf600]

I was not going to camp in my truck in the pits, I was going to DROP off my trailer.
 What is the point in preregistering and, CCS cashing my check, if they want you to be there at 6:00 in the morning.  Those ladies never have their crap together that early.  Plus that does not explain why the gate people have me driving around for an hour trying to get into the REG. BLDG. My point is for them is get your stuff together.  Work this stuff out before the event rolls around.  It was the same thing in March.
The thing with pre-reg, if that is the way it is everywhere, why would they accept your money, if they aren't going to honor your spot if you are a couple of hours late.  If you want to make the grids, make it as if I already paid for the spot that morning.(which is basiaclly what happened a month early)  For Daytona, you have to pay that early, or you will be watching from the stands.  What is the difference if I have 5 races that day, and crash out in the first race.  You have my money, its not like you are giving it back.  So what if there is an empty spot on the grid.  I have seen empty spots before.  This is something that should be looked at by CCS, not just by the SE.

[Super Dave]

I don't hate CCS or the track at Daytona.  I think the track is fun, there has got to be a better way to run this event.  Our money is the same size and color as NASCAR's.  It should be valued as much.  Of coarse we don't have a gazillion dollars like them, but we pay what they ask for.

Huh?  Ok, maybe you don't understand how it works.

CCS rents the track to have an event.  Very few spectators.  Daytona makes an amount that covers the time of their worker and the amoritization of their obigation for rebuilding, upkeep, etc.

NASCAR is paid a sactioning fee by Daytona International Speedway to have the rights to put on the event.  They provide the purse through selling sponsorships and ticket sales.  In the end, they cover their expenses and make a sizeable profit.

The money is no greener, but one event covers expenses and tho other makes a profit.  

[Suzy]

    Location of the ROC has been discussed into the ground here before. The main reason for Daytona is timing of the event which puts it in cold weather for the Northern tracks. Also is the whole connection with Biketoberfest at that time at Daytona. Another issue is tracks that are capable of handling not only large grids, but also large numbers of participants in the pits. To top all that off is the whole status of racing at Daytona, something only a small handfull of people in the world can say they have done. The track is unique with the high speed high banking, an experience most never get to experience anywhere else. :)

I understand, no offense, but forget the Biketoberfest, this is about racing in general, theme or no theme.  In April I was out on the corners in the cold and rain at Road America, what would be the difference about being there now. I know your going to tell me why it should not be there too. Daytona may be a challenging track and an experience, but look what's going on down there now with their weather and some of the riders complaining about their accomodations. If I were there right now I would want to go sight see after the races which I would not be able to do because they won't let you come and go when you please if you stay to camp at the track.
:)

[WebCrush]

NASCAR is paid a sactioning fee by Daytona International Speedway

Prolly doesn't hurt that they're both owned by the same company.  ::)

[Super Dave]

The way things sound, and from what a corner worker told me from going there last year, if you camp, you are not allowed to go in and out of the track. That is ridiculous. Why don't they have the ROC at Gingerman, or a more people friendly track? :)

Because there isn't a place big enough to handle huge grids.  Then you have weather issues.

What's it like in the upper midwest today?

Camping was never allowed until last year at Daytona.  It is a huge facility that has a huge risk for liability.  And the cost of maintaining security on such a big place.  

For a place that is not friendly, we could talk about Mid-Ohio...or Autobahn?

[kmf600]

Huh?  Ok, maybe you don't understand how it works.

CCS rents the track to have an event.  Very few spectators.  Daytona makes an amount that covers the time of their worker and the amoritization of their obigation for rebuilding, upkeep, etc.

NASCAR is paid a sactioning fee by Daytona
International Speedway to have the rights to put on the event.  They provide the purse through selling sponsorships and ticket sales.  In the end, they cover their expenses and make a sizeable profit.

The money is no greener, but one event covers expenses and tho other makes a profit.  

I understand exactly how it works.  My point is if you read what I said, maybe I didn't make it clear, If we pay what they ask us to pay to rent the track, they should respect us.  If they want us to pay more, or if we aren't paying enough to cover their expenses, that is another story.  I am sure they are not letting us use it at their loss. Get rid of the a--holes there, and let us have some fun.  Homestead is not a tiny track, and there is plenty of space to get set up.  I was there last year for ROC and I loved it.  I am a little biased, because I live within 5 miles of it.    Daytona is huge, and we don't even use a quarter of the space they have.  
I love to ride there, and am willing to jump through a hoop or two, but enough.  I even brag every once and a while about riding there.  I can't be the only person these guys had driving in circles for about an hour before I could even get in to be harrassed by the security gaurd to get into the garages.
Maybe I am wrong, and the only a--hole that thinks the people there are idiots.  Sorry in advance for being the jerk.  

[kmf600]

Because there isn't a place big enough to handle huge grids.  Then you have weather issues.

What's it like in the upper midwest today?

Camping was never allowed until last year at Daytona.  It is a huge facility that has a huge risk for liability.  And the cost of maintaining security on such a big place.  

For a place that is not friendly, we could talk about Mid-Ohio...or Autobahn?

Yeah we don't have weather issues in Florida.  It never rains, never gets cold, and never any hurricanes.  This is the sunshine state for God's sake.  If there was some way of making Daytona a happy fun place, it would be such a great place.  They should drive west about an hour drive down I4 and ask Mickey Mouse for some help.

[Super Dave]

LOL!

Snow and freezing weather isn't likely at Daytona though.

[kmf600]

LOL!

Snow and freezing weather isn't likely at Daytona though.

I would rather run at Daytona, but snow isn't likely at Homestead.  When does it start snowing in Atlanta, or in Alabama?  (this is a real question)  I just can't belive there is nowhere else that the track won't welcome some guys on motorcycles.  Don't get me wrong, Daytona loves fat guys on harelys and choppers, but not guys who pay over $100 for the first race and what was it, $90 for each race after?

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

For a place that is not friendly, we could talk about Mid-Ohio...or Autobahn?

Autobahn I cant say for myself, since I never been there YET, but Mid-Ohio sucks ass for the treatment they treat peopel with. Got that from first hand experience there in 88.

[Super Dave]

I would rather run at Daytona, but snow isn't likely at Homestead.  When does it start snowing in Atlanta, or in Alabama?  (this is a real question)  I just can't belive there is nowhere else that the track won't welcome some guys on motorcycles.  Don't get me wrong, Daytona loves fat guys on harelys and choppers, but not guys who pay over $100 for the first race and what was it, $90 for each race after?

You're just argumentative this week, eh?  LOL!

Come to Road America in April.  Same prices.  Huge tracks, huge in size and stature, cost a lot of money.  The entry fees are a function of that cost and the increased liability that has escalated over the years.  Maybe you don't recognize that, but that's how it works.

Any race track in the country loves motorcycles, as long as the organization pays to rent the track.  That's how it works unless it's an event that can be promoted to make a profit above and beyond sanctioning fees, etc. ala the AMA National Superbike Series.

CCS, FUSA, WERA, AFM, CMRA...those are club racing organizations.  

The AMA races at Daytona still.  

Do I need to reminds you about the involvment of the France family in the development of CCS in 1984?  

You are more than welcome to bring these issues up to Kevin Elliott for further clarification and discussion.  Additionally, you could actually search this forum for some answers to as you're asking age old question that have answers.  

I don't work for CCS.  I buy race entries too.  Yeah, Daytona entries are just as expensive for me.  Maybe more for me as I don't make a lot of money.  

[Super Dave]

 When does it start snowing in Atlanta, or in Alabama?  (this is a real question)

Do a google search.  You're on the internet.

Then, you've got to have a track that you can pay for and that racers will want to race at.  ROC was at Homestead last year.  Did you recognize that fact or not?