when is ccs going to combine un and hvy class

[Super Dave]

Or, modify the Great Plains schedule so we are at MAM/Heartland Park more, and maybe even add Hallett to the list.

I live in Kansas City, and it is kinda crappy to have to drive 9 hours to blackhwak for only 4 races.  :-/ I'll do it for sure, but it would be more fun and CCS would make more money in race fees.

That's all a nice idea...

But considering that at one time there were many races at Heartland Park Topeka and the KC, Topeka, Wichita, Omaha, Des Moins, Tulsa area didn't come up with enough racers to pay for the event...

Having more races in that area still doesn't make sense.  It's been tried.  

wouldnt it make sense to combine the unlimited class, and heavyweight.. you could fit more races in a day, or  more practice sessions in the morning. the unlimited classes arent usually packed.

Am I the only one that read this?

Yeah, I think it was stupid to have Unlimited Superbike.  

There aren't that many 1000's out there.  Which one of you guys can actually afford to go fast on a 1000 with the tire bill they create?

Spare the idea of having more races to run.

Heavyweight classes?  

The guys on 600's make up the biggest portion of club level racers, and they race in many classes.  They'll spend more money on entries, and on tires, if they are going fast.

Practice?

MW, HW, and UL are combined?  Where's the savings in time?

I'll just come out and say this...

UNTIL THE GUYS THAT WANT TO RACE 1000'S CAN PROVE THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY RACE (meaning that they are reasonably serious, not the occasional recreational racer) AT EVENTS REGULARLY, THE GUYS THAT RACE 1000'S DON'T HAVE A BOTTOM LINE IMPACT ON THE FINANCES OF CCS RACING.

You've been given a class that is open to you in Unlimited Superbike.  In years and years of racing, there have never been so many classes available to open class bikes.  Someone go race them and try to prove someone wrong.

[Clay]

Hey, I'm racing unlimited superbike.  ;D

[bmfgsxr]

dave, if heavyweight and unlimited were combined it would be no extra cost to CCS. in fact, i know it would give me more races to run in a weekend, and i would spend more money.  it would also free up time on each day which would allow for more practice sessions for everyone, not just one class.  everyone would benefit from combining the races.  yes, 600's make up most of the population because they are fast, yet still easier on tires, and easier to ride.  i just like racing a 1000, its a different type of challenge to manage that power and still try to get around the race track faster than the 600's.  im not being selfish in any way for the liter bike racers. it would benefit everyone, including CCS. even if there are only 60 guys racing liter bikes on a given weekend if each one of those guys were to run one or two more races because they could CCS would make more money.

so we can scratch the idea of combining the races to add more races in a day. lets combine the races so CCS can make more money, so all the guys who race 1000's have more races to run, and to free up more time in the day for additional practice time for everyone. no one loses this way.

[cb186]

dave, if heavyweight and unlimited were combined it would be no extra cost to CCS. in fact, i know it would give me more races to run in a weekend, and i would spend more money.  it would also free up time on each day which would allow for more practice sessions for everyone, not just one class.  everyone would benefit from combining the races.  yes, 600's make up most of the population because they are fast, yet still easier on tires, and easier to ride.  i just like racing a 1000, its a different type of challenge to manage that power and still try to get around the race track faster than the 600's.  im not being selfish in any way for the liter bike racers. it would benefit everyone, including CCS. even if there are only 60 guys racing liter bikes on a given weekend if each one of those guys were to run one or two more races because they could CCS would make more money.

so we can scratch the idea of combining the races to add more races in a day. lets combine the races so CCS can make more money, so all the guys who race 1000's have more races to run, and to free up more time in the day for additional practice time for everyone. no one loses this way.

i'm confused. you want to combine HW and UNL? how would that provide you with more races to run in a weekend? do you want to change the rules of HW to allow 1000's? if that is what your saying, then do you want to have an additional UNL race too?

[Steviebee]

for your 1 liter bike guy thats gonna race 3 extra races.  Theres about 8 of the 600 guys that just lost three races.

ccs will loose the money.

And there proably as much of us 750 guys as there are 1000 guys.  Well  last year at least.  Were a dying breed.

I like the new 1000 class.  at least is puts them on parity with ama superstock.

[extrakt0r]

UNTIL THE GUYS THAT WANT TO RACE 1000'S CAN PROVE THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY RACE (meaning that they are reasonably serious, not the occasional recreational racer) AT EVENTS REGULARLY, THE GUYS THAT RACE 1000'S DON'T HAVE A BOTTOM LINE IMPACT ON THE FINANCES OF CCS RACING.

I'll be at all the CCS Events this year, running in all the classes I can.

But you are right, most people ride 600's. I don't see how having more Twin Sprint weekends would hurt anything..  :-/

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

I think it would be cool if all weekends were twin sprint weekends....Leave the classes them same, just more races..

     Following an entire season with that many individual races would be outragously expensive (as if it wasn't expensive enough)! Of course then again if your not the one fronting the bill for your racing expensis (including fees, tires, fuel, etc.) then I could see how it would be attractive to those people. If there were less events per year, and all were T/S events, then it would make more sense, but which events do you really want to sacrifice for doing that?

[extrakt0r]

Following an entire season with that many individual races would be outragously expensive (as if it wasn't expensive enough)! Of course then again if your not the one fronting the bill for your racing expensis (including fees, tires, fuel, etc.) then I could see how it would be attractive to those people. If there were less events per year, and all were T/S events, then it would make more sense, but which events do you really want to sacrifice for doing that?

Yeah, it would be more expensive, and I do fit all my bills, I don't have a single sponsor. If people can't afford to do the Twin Sprint Weekend, then they can just do their normal load.

The people who it would be more expensive for would be the 600 Guys. They pretty much enter 6-8 races a normal weekend. (I am guessing here) So for me who can only enter 4 in a normal weekend it would be more expensive yes, but it would not be any more expensive (entry fee wise) as running a 600.

Just throwing around some ideas. I make up my time by doing Track Days in between races, but the big thing for me is like traveling to Blackhawk from Kansas City for only 4 Races. Yes I choosee to race a 1K and drive there to do it, but it would be cool (cool is the key word) if it was a twin sprint or I could do more races.

Road America was really cool, it made the 26 Hours of driving with it, becuase I got to race 7 races. That's all I am saying.

I would pay for the extra tires, fuel and entry fees to race a Twin Sprint every weekend if CCS did it.

But if one person could do it alone, the world wouldn't need AARP
 ;D

[bmfgsxr]

i'm confused. you want to combine HW and UNL? how would that provide you with more races to run in a weekend? do you want to change the rules of HW to allow 1000's? if that is what your saying, then do you want to have an additional UNL race too?

good point bro, didnt look at it that way. i guess thats what happens when you try to post and work at the same time..  then i guess the simple thing to do would be to allow unlimited bikes to race in heavyweight classes. which wouldnt lead to any less races, or more practice time. and all it would do is allow unlimited guys like myself to run more classes and get more tracktime (and still spend more money).  unless of course they did away with a heavyweight class, and unlimited class (say superbike for example) then that would free up two more sessions in a weekend for practice.. so the title of my post is counter productive from my actual goal.. lol, pretty funny actually. glad someone caught it though. :)

now remember guys, these are only ideas.

[bmfgsxr]

for your 1 liter bike guy thats gonna race 3 extra races.  Theres about 8 of the 600 guys that just lost three races.

ccs will loose the money.

And there proably as much of us 750 guys as there are 1000 guys.  Well  last year at least.  Were a dying breed.

I like the new 1000 class.  at least is puts them on parity with ama superstock.

how so?  this wouldnt exclude 600's, just allow 1000's to enter the same races.. there would be slightly bigger grids.  so they wouldnt lose any money there.

[GSXR RACER MIKE]

     In my opinion a 1000 is a 2nd bike anyhow, generally most that ride them as an Expert would probably also have another smaller displacement bike. 1000's are more of a luxury item, they cost more all around and generally most guys can't ride them any faster at most tracks, other than top end tracks like RA and Daytona for example.

     Being that most racers don't make it past 2 or 3 seasons in this sport due to massive debt, increasing the costs related to dedicated racers  trying to follow any classes for an entire season would get stupid expensive if all events were T/S events.

[bmfgsxr]

mike,

my 1000 is my only bike. i cant afford to race two bikes, and i chose to stick with the 1k this season.  ive been racing for 4 years, and plan to keep going.

forget my original title of this thread.. all i want is to be able to run my unlimited bike in the heavyweight classes as well as unlimited classes.. i want more options to run without having to stay til the last race on sunday.