First of all I didn't get up early to get the schedule!!
Interesting - 4 Gateway and BHF races, RA and Topeka. It's really nice to see another track added back into the mix even if it is Gateway. I'm a little concerned about the total number of races- 10 overall (can we do 2 throwaways like they do in AMA enduro?). I really like RA in July. The early May day was just to precarious. I'd love to see one Gateway/BHF substituted by Gingerman. That track is awesome particularly the new downhill/uphill roundabout. Accelerating up that hill on one wheel, on George Linhart's fire breathing Ducati is probably one of the funnest things I did this year!! Even better would be Grattan but that's a lot to ask...
Looking forward to another great season of CCS & AMA Enduro racing.
Putnam is on there to but its the same weeked of Topeka?
Hum I missed that. Suspect that most Gateways will be out of MW series and Putnam would be in. Would prefer Putnam to Topeka even though I think I'd prefer T. but cannot stomach the $2k+ to race there for a twin sprint weekend
+1 for a gingerman/grattan race! and yea the new RA date is perfect. Can't wait for that race! if only we did that track 4 times instead of blackhawk haha. Interested in finding out exactly which tracks will be for the MW schedule.
The proposed schedule and region for Gateway and Putnam are still tentative. Stay tuned!
I really wish the HPT and Putnam dates weren't on the same weekend. I'm assuming HPT will be ASRA/TC again, which we'll have to go to, but I really love Putnam and would love to get to race there again. Fingers crossed that Putnam stays on the schedule, but moves to a weekend we can go to.
4 races at gateway? :wtf: Really? :banghead: I guess that's 4 races I dont have to worry about
Quote from: Sobottka on November 26, 2012, 12:28:07 PM
4 races at gateway? :wtf: Really? :banghead: I guess that's 4 races I dont have to worry about
Does this mean you will be racing next year? Awesome!
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Certainly not at gateway... :ahhh:
Putnam would be awesome!!! I'd totally go to Putnam and not to Topeka!
Quote from: Falco on November 26, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
Does this mean you will be racing next year? Awesome!
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I hope!
Why would Putnam be on the same weekend as HPT (double points)?????
Count me in as confused too. Be nice to know what the proposed Mid-West schedule really is. I'd like to start planning now so I'm not scrambling later.
Gateway isn't so bad. I think it's really fun
I haven't raced Gateway since the early 90's and it was a bit hairy, ARMCO a bit too close and stuff. What changes might make me want to go back? Putnam is a reasonable track. I liked to conduct my schools there. Wide track, not too technical and plenty of runoff. Exciting....well I have made it that way by overcooking the bus stop on a couple of occasions and big bear has made me suck seat foam up my rectum too....
I'm hoping to run some CCS races this year as an older F40 guy.
Garry
There is nothing fun about Gateway. Nothing fun about turn 1, turn 2, turn 4, turn 7 (? the one in the back that goes back on the banking), the goat path, the no passing zone, the transition to the front straight after the goat path or the curbing found everywhere. So what's that leave in such a fun place that might be safe? ...T3, T5? You can have it all, I'm out.... I can't even believe motorcycles are allowed there.
Quote from: Sobottka on November 26, 2012, 07:03:48 PM
There is nothing fun about Gateway. Nothing fun about turn 1, turn 2, turn 4, turn 7 (? the one in the back that goes back on the banking), the goat path, the no passing zone, the transition to the front straight after the goat path or the curbing found everywhere. So what's that leave in such a fun place that might be safe? ...T3, T5? You can have it all, I'm out.... I can't even believe motorcycles are allowed there.
. What's good about it? Uh, it's close to Strip Clubs?
Quote from: Burt Munro on November 26, 2012, 07:21:32 PM
. What's good about it? Uh, it's close to Strip Clubs?
Maybe I need to re-think this......
Just back it off a notch at Gateway and don't crash and die. At least it's not blackhawk repeated over and over again.
I'm betting that Putnam date will be removed or changed being it's on the same date as Topeka. Both on the same weekend doesn't make any sense. I'm also betting one of those Gateway rounds go away as well. I'd really like to see the solid schedule. Any idea when it will be a done deal?
Apr 20-21: Putnam Park
Apr 20-21: Heartland Park Topeka** Twin Sprints
May 18-19: Blackhawk Farms Raceway
May 25-26: Gateway International Raceway
June 29-30: Gateway International Raceway
July 6-7: Road America** Twin Sprints
July 20-21: Blackhawk Farms Raceway** Twin Sprints
Aug 17-18: Blackhawk Farms Raceway
Sep 7-8: Gateway International Raceway
Sep 21-22: Blackhawk Farms Raceway** Twin Sprints
Oct 5-6: Gateway International Raceway
i like the middle of the year Road america & love the putnam date, i could do without going to blackhawk all the time, but i won't be heading to gateway.
Pretty sure that's not the Midwest schedule. Midwest will be BHF and RA for sure, not sure where the HPT and Putty rounds will land, but I'm guessing the Great Plains region is coming back and that's where the Gateway rounds will be. One of them may end up on the MW schedule, but that's not the end of the world.
Either way I don't care as long as Gateway doesn't end up on the ASRA or TC schedule.
Quote from: j_fuggin_t on November 27, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
i like the middle of the year Road america & love the putnam date, i could do without going to blackhawk all the time, but i won't be heading to gateway.
Gateway wasn't bad last year, we had some decent races with MCRA there. Andre and I will be joining up with CCS this year though for more races.
I didnt do MCRA last year because of gateway
Chatting with Eric over email. He says possibly no Gateway rounds for Midwest. He also said Putnam will
Not be on Midwest Schedule which sucks
Quote from: Grasshopper on November 28, 2012, 12:18:30 PM
Chatting with Eric over email. He says possibly no Gateway rounds for Midwest. He also said Putnam will
Not be on Midwest Schedule which sucks
thats a big buzzkill.. one man can only take so much of BHF LOL
Quote from: j_fuggin_t on November 28, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
thats a big buzzkill.. one man can only take so much of BHF LOL
How bout it right?!? If they can separate the Topeka and Purnam dates they should offer points in both regions.
With all the tracks in the Midwest area we get 3. Booooooooo! Could have autobahn (north and south) gingerman, Putnam, Grattan. It could be an awesome series in the region. Instead we have the CCS Blackhawk cup.
Too bad, sounds like nothing has changed at Gateway. I was hoping it was better since it is so close.
Does anyone know why MidAmerica in Iowa has been off the schedule for the past several years? It was a combo Great Plains/MidWest event for years. It's still listed as a CCS track on the website but CCS hasn't raced there since 2009 or 2010.
Quote from: gearhead on November 28, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Does anyone know why MidAmerica in Iowa has been off the schedule for the past several years? It was a combo Great Plains/MidWest event for years. It's still listed as a CCS track on the website but CCS hasn't raced there since 2009 or 2010.
In 2011 it was closed because of flooding, but they ran trackdays in 2012. May have been uncertain when they were making the schedule for 2012 whether they would reopen or not.
Quote from: gearhead on November 28, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
Does anyone know why MidAmerica in Iowa has been off the schedule for the past several years? It was a combo Great Plains/MidWest event for years. It's still listed as a CCS track on the website but CCS hasn't raced there since 2009 or 2010.
I think the severe elevation changes on the Track may have been too challenging for some riders.
I have to be honest with you guys I'm very disappointed with the lack of different tracks on the Midwest schedule. It's very sad in my opinion considering how many different tracks we have within a short driving distance from the Chicagoland area. I understand that the economy is in the shitter and people are not spending money on the sport we love so much. I have a lot of friends in the CCS paddock at any given weekend in the midwest. However I am strongly leaning towards running WERA north central. More tracks, more diversity, more interesting series. Again I'm very disappointed. If I'm going to spend my hard earned money on going racing I want to run an interesting series. 4 or 5 blackhawk rounds is not interesting to me. 2 maybe but not repeatitive blackhawk after blackhawk. What a shame. I'm still on the fence with this. I'm going to move forward with building the bikes and decide after the first of the year. Maybe I will have an epiphany while riding the ice bike over the winter or something.
Nick, I totally agree! Which is why I jumped ship last year. Couldn't be happier. Lots of benefits to it and some down sides. In CCS's defense, they are trying, just still falling short. Blackhawk does get old after some time.
Has anybody asked what the proposed race schedule is for the Gateway dates, Putnam Dates? Has anyone asked if there will be a full schedule of sprints?
Might be a long way to drive for 2 GT and 2 GTL races.
What about BIR? They have two track layouts and they just repaved the whole thing... Blackhawk, BIR and Road America would be a great combination.
Putnam appears to be a no go because it is gone off the preliminary schedule on ccsracing.us and if it was a go it was going to be great plains region.
Gateway is great plains region mostly. Possibly one round in midwest. I did not get a straight answer on that. Supposedly great plains rounds run limited classes.
Quote from: Grasshopper on November 29, 2012, 07:46:53 PM
Putnam appears to be a no go because it is gone off the preliminary schedule on ccsracing.us and if it was a go it was going to be great plains region.
Bummer. I was hoping it would stay, even as a GP region event because that could have opened the door to a few more events there.
I forgot about the flooding in western Iowa that afffected MAM but why are we not going there or Motorsport Park-Hastings anymore? Both are listed as CCS tracks but haven't been raced on in years. Hastings is a fun track and yes it's in the middle of nowhere so make that event a double points race to encourage participation.
Iowa Speedway is listed also and CCS has never raced there. We had an event scheduled years ago but it got cancelled due to the Des Moines area Chevrolet dealers flexing their muscles and booting us out for their event. I know Moto-ST had a crash marred event there, I was there, so why is it still listed as a CCS track?
All about the dollars and the turnout. Last few events ran at MAM and Hastings didn't have the attendance in my opinion to warrant keeping them. The St. Louis crowd keeps Gateway and Topeka going. I miss the rounds at MAM and Hastings and would love to see the return. But the riders speak with their wallets, and they go to Blackhawk but don't travel well beyond that. If CCS could make money running some of these other tracks, they would certainly do it.
Quote from: LMsports on November 30, 2012, 02:20:12 PM
All about the dollars and the turnout. Last few events ran at MAM and Hastings didn't have the attendance in my opinion to warrant keeping them. The St. Louis crowd keeps Gateway and Topeka going. I miss the rounds at MAM and Hastings and would love to see the return. But the riders speak with their wallets, and they go to Blackhawk but don't travel well beyond that. If CCS could make money running some of these other tracks, they would certainly do it.
Couldn't have said it better.
Hey everyone on this thread, we just noticed that the Topeka dates were changed on the schedule to a week later, April 27-28. And Putnam was taken off the list. I guess we got too early of a jump start on the hotel reservations for Topeka! Does anyone know for sure whether Gateway is gonna be part of the Midwest schedule? Just hoping we have other tracks besides BFR and HPT, since we only get ONE RA this year. At least RA's in July, not like last year when it was 38 and raining in May. May in Wisconsin is always dicey..... :banghead:
Kollin, ya should had been here when we started the MW racing the first weekend of april at BHF. 6" of snow the friday before and racing got underway around 11 after the track was plowed. still had 6" of snow in the grass.
+1 to Rob also.
I'm just glad there is a CCS that gives us the opportunity to race. I know Blackhawk gets old but we're racing. The last 2 years I've gone to New Hampshire to race with ASRA. You think you have it bad here? You think Gateway is unsafe? NHMS is old and has several sketchy areas. The Loudon series season is 5 or 6 rounds at that track and that track only. Yet the grids are full.
I encourage you to try some different tracks if you are sick of Blackhawk. Do a WERA round at Gratten. You can race at BIR and Hastings, just not with CCS. Try a CCS round at VIR or New Jersey or wherever. I know trying one these tracks means more travel and ultimately more money which makes it hard for you to do. Just like it's hard for CCS to get different tracks for the midwest, it costs money. I understand if your're chasing points and need to race the midwest rounds but there are many more weekends available to race at other tracks. I rather enjoy racing those weekends where your not "chasing" points.... rant over
I will more than likely come out and run a round with CCS. RA and one Blackhawk. But I'm really leaning towards running the whole WERA north Central series. See you guys at the race track. Have a good holiday season. Mayb I will see some of you on the ice as well if we get any this year.
I couldn't agree with this more...
Quote from: welldrilleRR on November 30, 2012, 09:05:25 PM
I'm just glad there is a CCS that gives us the opportunity to race. I know Blackhawk gets old but we're racing. The last 2 years I've gone to New Hampshire to race with ASRA. You think you have it bad here? You think Gateway is unsafe? NHMS is old and has several sketchy areas. The Loudon series season is 5 or 6 rounds at that track and that track only. Yet the grids are full.
I encourage you to try some different tracks if you are sick of Blackhawk. Do a WERA round at Gratten. You can race at BIR and Hastings, just not with CCS. Try a CCS round at VIR or New Jersey or wherever. I know trying one these tracks means more travel and ultimately more money which makes it hard for you to do. Just like it's hard for CCS to get different tracks for the midwest, it costs money. I understand if your're chasing points and need to race the midwest rounds but there are many more weekends available to race at other tracks. I rather enjoy racing those weekends where your not "chasing" points.... rant over
I'm going to concentrate on AMA enduro next year. Sick & tired of BHF - boring and dangerous in places. I see myself doing HTP, RA and probably 2-3 BHF rounds. May pick up a WERA or two if they do Mid O, Grattan or Gingerman. Ideally, I'd like to see a max of 2 BHF, an Autobahn South and a Gingerman race.
Quote from: Burt Munro on November 29, 2012, 01:24:33 AM
I think the severe elevation changes on the Track may have been too challenging for some riders.
Haha...the ripples are bad enough there to count as elevation changes. And the seams have become almost impossible to cross safely at speed in many places.
Quote from: welldrilleRR on November 30, 2012, 09:05:25 PM
I encourage you to try some different tracks if you are sick of Blackhawk. Do a WERA round at Gratten. You can race at BIR and Hastings, just not with CCS.
Who races at Hastings?
Quote from: dmj_88 on December 03, 2012, 08:57:37 PM
Who races at Hastings?
Sorry, I meant Hallet. No races at Hastings that I saw...
Well I have a promise to keep this coming year -anyone going to have room for a sv in a trailer for HPT in 2013 leaving from the Milwaukee area?
Terry , get a hold of me, I should have room.
Anyone have room for a small R6 going through Gurnee (6 flags) on the way to Topeka?
if you live in the midwest, you gota love blackjack... I mean blackhawk. Jeezzze With my luck this year the WERA July race at Grattan will fall on a Blackhawk day.
Quote from: design-engine on December 13, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
if you live in the midwest, you gota love blackjack... I mean blackhawk. Jeezzze With my luck this year the WERA July race at Grattan will fall on a Blackhawk day.
Come on out. It'll be a good change. You can hit Blackhawk the other 10 times during the year. :)
I could use shared transport as well for next season "away" tracks. (I prefer to travel overnight to reduce vacation time expenditure.) And I am an excellent night time driver! I may be able to borrow a large trailer as well, but would rather not have to borrow both a truck and trailer.
Quote from: twilkinson3 on December 12, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
Well I have a promise to keep this coming year -anyone going to have room for a sv in a trailer for HPT in 2013 leaving from the Milwaukee area?
It's about time ::)
Looks like HPT got moved to the first weekend in May.
Does anyone know details about the race school? Is it on Fri. or Sat?
Well crap, that might put the kabosh on my road trip this year....
And on another note that means the midwest might be/is running 3 rounds in May Topeka 4-5, BFR 18-19, Tenative Gateway 25-26.....dunno if I can scrape 3 weekends free from family et al either heh
Quote from: dmj_88 on January 26, 2013, 10:14:59 AM
Looks like HPT got moved to the first weekend in May.
Does anyone know details about the race school? Is it on Fri. or Sat?
There will be a licensing school on Friday. As soon as the track has the signup set up on their site I'll post up a link.
HTP is out and I'll be doing a WERA round @ Grattan. 4 BHF and RA. Concentrating on 10 Enduros (dist 17 + 2 Wis and One MI (Loose Moose). If I don't crash badly and don't stop improving, 2014 will be my last RdR season - 2 kids in University simultaneously!!
It took me awhile to notice that the BHF round on Aug 17-18 is the same weekend as Indy MotoGp again.
So is there an actual confirmed schedule yet for the midwest? I was thinking about joining up and doing some racing with CCS, but if im limited to one track like i am with the CRA, it doesn't appear to be worth the hassle.
Hey Borgy...it's mostly Blackhawk, but we get a twin sprint round at Topeka (Heartland Park) and Road America for sure...I think the only remaining questionable one is the Gateway date
Quote from: Greg_Williams on January 29, 2013, 12:20:41 PM
There will be a licensing school on Friday. As soon as the track has the signup set up on their site I'll post up a link.
Is the best way to sign up through HPTs website here:
http://www.hpt.com/index.php?option=com_jevents&task=icalrepeat.detail&evid=417&Itemid=262&year=2013&month=05&day=03&title=greg-williams-licensing-school&uid=a6e644f2772f0ce585ab3431f05e7504&catids=59
and I'm assuming since I don't have a race license that I can't pre-enter any races for the discounted price/grid position?
Quote from: twilkinson3 on February 11, 2013, 12:16:03 PM
Hey Borgy...it's mostly Blackhawk, but we get a twin sprint round at Topeka (Heartland Park) and Road America for sure...I think the only remaining questionable one is the Gateway date
Gateway probably isn't going to happen. MCRA has a race weekend there that week and apparently some years ago there was a falling out between MCRA and CCS and there still are some that haven't let go.
Do they have practice sessions on friday or is done through a track school? Sat-Sun morning practice sessions?
Quote from: Shipley81 on February 11, 2013, 08:25:37 PM
Gateway probably isn't going to happen. MCRA has a TRACKDAY weekend there that week and apparently some years ago there was a falling out between MCRA and CCS and there still are some that haven't let go.
They run their own race series that takes place during their trackdays. ::)
Interested to hear about this falling out between MCRA and CCS.
Don't know all the details other than they used to run combined weekends of trackday saturday with CCS racing Sunday. They started their own race series and have been branching away from CCS ever since. Last year they used the CCS rulebook and now have drafted their own. Last year they ran a fairly successful season of 8 twin sprint style weekends held at Heartland Park, Gateway, and Putnam Park. The race classes were similar to GTO/GTU, Lightweight classes, and sportsman class.
I've been in contact with several of their board members and they have said without doubt that the weekend at Gateway on the midwest CCS schedule is not happening. They already have the track rented that weekend and are not interested in doing a combined weekend.
so how many races can a guy enter on a mw bike? mw ss, mw sb, ???
Quote from: BORGY on February 13, 2013, 10:02:01 PM
so how many races can a guy enter on a mw bike? mw ss, mw sb, ???
MWSS, MWSB, MWGP, GTU, F40 (if you are over 40) and you can race up also in heavyweights and unlimited classes.
Thanks. Just got my transponder today. For registration they want the serial # or the IC ID #? Im assuming the serial # but thought i should double check before i chuck this thing in the mail.
I'd look on my bike to see which it is (my number is a 5 digit number) but its stored behind my street bike and covered right now (along with both bikes being used as a shelf :rollseyes: )
Falling out with CCS? News to me.
Quote from: Shipley81 on February 13, 2013, 09:29:55 PM
Don't know all the details other than they used to run combined weekends of trackday saturday with CCS racing Sunday. They started their own race series and have been branching away from CCS ever since. Last year they used the CCS rulebook and now have drafted their own. Last year they ran a fairly successful season of 8 twin sprint style weekends held at Heartland Park, Gateway, and Putnam Park. The race classes were similar to GTO/GTU, Lightweight classes, and sportsman class.
I've been in contact with several of their board members and they have said without doubt that the weekend at Gateway on the midwest CCS schedule is not happening. They already have the track rented that weekend and are not interested in doing a combined weekend.
MCRA's relationship with CCS is really very good. In our part of the Midwest region, turn outs for sprint races have been pretty sad for various reasons like the poor economy and the cost of fuel. Its hard for any organization to justify losing money to keep a regional sprint championship alive for a few guys and gals. As usual the east coast, west coast and Texas get great turn outs for their races. They always have for obvious reasons. MCRA will be sending air fence to the CCS round at Heartland. Some members are going to Daytona to work corners and other jobs for CCS. MCRA's GT races pay CCS points for the midwest region (except GTU). I have no reason to believe that our relationship has been soured.
As far as the rule book goes...MCRA runs "hybrid" style weekends. A combination of track day and races. Our new 250 class is "superbike" class just for the CBR and Ninja 250's only, so just using the CCS rule rulebook to govern our weekends doesn't cover it all. MCRA gets all of its purse and contingency on their own so we feel it is indeed an MCRA series and we are proud to say we are affiliated with CCS.
MCRA does not run sprint style races. We run 25min timed GT races combined with track day 20 min sessions.
I hope people can understand that MCRA is a non-profit organization run by volunteers. The board of directors is run by volunteer motorcycle enthusiasts. Last season was successful and we wish we could do another big season, we simply don't have the volunteers to make it happen. If any of you have been a part of a club of volunteers, you know that its always the same 4 or 5 people doing everything. Its sometimes easy for us to want more or think the club should be doing it differently but, unless your in the room or doing the work yourself you couldnt possibly be informed enough to make your opinions public.
MCRA will be making an official announcement about our 2013 season with all the details about purse, contingency and the weekend schedule very soon. We will have some exciting news about the bigger purse and tire contingency's for this season. Stay tuned!
I stand corrected, the impression I got was that there was something else that stopped the combined weekends but looks like I was wrong.
Quote from: stlrainman on February 15, 2013, 09:37:45 AM
MCRA's relationship with CCS is really very good. In our part of the Midwest region, turn outs for sprint races have been pretty sad for various reasons like the poor economy and the cost of fuel. Its hard for any organization to justify losing money to keep a regional sprint championship alive for a few guys and gals. As usual the east coast, west coast and Texas get great turn outs for their races. They always have for obvious reasons. MCRA will be sending air fence to the CCS round at Heartland. Some members are going to Daytona to work corners and other jobs for CCS. MCRA's GT races pay CCS points for the midwest region (except GTU). I have no reason to believe that our relationship has been soured.
As far as the rule book goes...MCRA runs "hybrid" style weekends. A combination of track day and races. Our new 250 class is "superbike" class just for the CBR and Ninja 250's only, so just using the CCS rule rulebook to govern our weekends doesn't cover it all. MCRA gets all of its purse and contingency on their own so we feel it is indeed an MCRA series and we are proud to say we are affiliated with CCS.
MCRA does not run sprint style races. We run 25min timed GT races combined with track day 20 min sessions.
I hope people can understand that MCRA is a non-profit organization run by volunteers. The board of directors is run by volunteer motorcycle enthusiasts. Last season was successful and we wish we could do another big season, we simply don't have the volunteers to make it happen. If any of you have been a part of a club of volunteers, you know that its always the same 4 or 5 people doing everything. Its sometimes easy for us to want more or think the club should be doing it differently but, unless your in the room or doing the work yourself you couldnt possibly be informed enough to make your opinions public.
MCRA will be making an official announcement about our 2013 season with all the details about purse, contingency and the weekend schedule very soon. We will have some exciting news about the bigger purse and tire contingency's for this season. Stay tuned!
I was told by the CCS office that the Gateway round points would not count towards MW championship. It'd be nice if we could get some clarification so we can make plans. Personally I'm not interested in running the Gateway round if the only class are GT and the points don't count
You dont have to come to Gateway! The latest from CCS is there are no points given to the Mid West GT championship on the MCRA weekends. Sorry for the misinformation.
MCRA does value their relationship with CCS and look forward to working with them in the future.
Will CCS reciprocate on MCRA licenses?