It looked like a pretty light turnout. I hope everyone had a good time.
Wow, turnout was low. Lets hope it picks up next year at Daytona.
Well when you piss off most of your customers....And I can tell you most people I talked are not happy. For most of us, Daytona is quite a stretch (distance & financially) but to go even farther for local track.
The results show that there were 26 riders not from Florida or Georgia.
It was a beautiful weekend in Omaha.. 3 hours from Topeka.
friday practice was open friday morning then split am/ex after lunch. we kept waiting to see more people show but didnt happen. average grid size was around 10 riders. came down from NY with a couple friends only because we had a shot at winning an AM national. as much as i didnt like daytona last year homestead was worse. point and shoot against locals with who knows how many thousand laps. should have been someplace else/better
After the last Southeast Round at VIR and talking to everyone there, I was certain turnout was not going to be very good. Most I talked to were not very happy with CCS..... What a shame!
Friday, Saturday, Sunday in Topeka was drop-dead-gorgeous. 70-80 degrees F with 50 degree overnight lows.
Yeah - Pretty hard to justify such a long trip to what is by most accounts a crappy track. I understand that Kevin had to make a tough choice - I don't think this was the optimal solution for the majority of riders and that a number of people voted with their dollars and decided not to go this year.
George
No matter where it's held your going to get people complaining about locals and track time. A great rider however will pickup a track in practice and be fine for 1st race.
I think a few people got beat and are blaming the track or track time. :biggrin:
I still say to move the ROC's every year to a different venue that can support it.
Quote from: HAWK on October 18, 2010, 12:20:01 AM
The results show that there were 26 riders not from Florida or Georgia.
So now Fl gets to claim Georgia riders to? Can't think of a rider from Georgia that EVER comes to Homestead for a regular race. So take how many were from Georgia and count those as guys that don't usually race down here....then divide that into total number of riders.
As far as weather, Id say lows in the high sixities....highs in the mid eightees and not a cloud in the sky for three days that the ROC is pretty good weather.
The track is awesome to ride. Talked to lots of guys from up north that had a blast, said they were gonna try and come down and ride in December, and also said it was one of the friendliest paddocks they have been in.
But I don't mean to rain on the bitch fest. Carry on
I've never been to Homestead but the layout looks cool. Didn't they have an AMA national there once?
Great job this weekend Dwyer! I wasn't bitching. Lack of funds prevented me from going. It looks like a lot of the fast guys showed up this weekend and I am sure there were lots of good battles.
Quote from: d-wire on October 18, 2010, 11:05:45 AM
So now Fl gets to claim Georgia riders to? Can't think of a rider from Georgia that EVER comes to Homestead for a regular race. So take how many were from Georgia and count those as guys that don't usually race down here....then divide that into total number of riders.
As far as weather, Id say lows in the high sixities....highs in the mid eightees and not a cloud in the sky for three days that the ROC is pretty good weather.
The track is awesome to ride. Talked to lots of guys from up north that had a blast, said they were gonna try and come down and ride in December, and also said it was one of the friendliest paddocks they have been in.
But I don't mean to rain on the bitch fest. Carry on
Sean, "whiners" like that are listed under a catagory called "sour grapes"!
HD
Henry, you are absolutely right, I do have a load of sour grapes. As I said in a different thread a few months back, this was a one time deal, we all know that the ROC goes back to Daytona when the track can support it. Most of us understand that as an icon of racing Daytona has few equals. The one chance that CCS had to throw the MW, GP, SW, etc a bone they did not. I hear that you have a load of wonderful grapes though, they moved the race even closer to home for you. I can't help but wonder how your grapes would have come out if the race had been at Topeka.
Dwire, I just included GA as they are the closest to the track that don't live in FL, I appologize.
There were 31 riders not from Florida in the results.
FLAME ON!!!
Yes the turnout was light, but the competition was great and the track is a blast.
I came down from NY to kick Floridian ass and it went both ways. I will never forget it.
Henry/Sean,
Geographically the closest state (outside of Florida) to Homestead would be Georgia. I believe that the point being made is that there were only 26 riders who chose to travel farther than 1 state away. In such a tough economy, doesn't it make some sense to hold an event in a location which is easier for more people to attend rather than farther away?
Is that really so hard to understand ????
Just take your prejudice view and vested interests and put them aside for one moment. At a famous and nationally renown track like Daytona you can draw a good number of racers from around the country. However, with Homestead we have now shown that you are only going to get a handful of riders who choose to make such a long trip even if you call it the Race of Champions. To be precise, we now have evidence that only 26 such riders bothered to show up.
Is this really sour grapes, or perhaps is it looking at and coming up with a reasonable interpretation of hard data? Lets look at it another way. Given the unique geographical issues facing Homestead (located in a far south east side on a long, narrow state bordered by Water on 3 sides) it takes a lot of time and expense to travel there Georgia ireally s the only state entirely within a 12 hour drive (although you could make it from parts of Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina). Just think about the population densities and consider the ability to draw riders to other track in the country in an equivalent drive. Take a 12 hour radius around Barber and I see that you have Chicago, New York, Washington DC, St. Louis, and Miami, FL.. Topeka has Chicago, Kansas City, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Minneapolis and even Southern cities of Dallas, Oklahoman City, Tulsa, and Houston all within the 12 hour radius.
I'm sorry turnout wasn't better; however, this was predictable.
Hate to interupt your self love vest with intellectual conversation.
George
And I'm not even willing to go back to Daytona... (been there, done that) Texas World Speedway is a far more interesting track with intense elevation changes and the straight on the banking. I call it the Daytona of Texas.
MidO, Barber, Topeka even Road America are much more exiciting - it would be particularly interesting holding the ROC @ track where CCS doesn't race on a reg. basis so that you don't end up with local favorites.
Quote from: HAWK on October 18, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
Henry, you are absolutely right, I do have a load of sour grapes. As I said in a different thread a few months back, this was a one time deal, we all know that the ROC goes back to Daytona when the track can support it. Most of us understand that as an icon of racing Daytona has few equals. The one chance that CCS had to throw the MW, GP, SW, etc a bone they did not. I hear that you have a load of wonderful grapes though, they moved the race even closer to home for you. I can't help but wonder how your grapes would have come out if the race had been at Topeka.
Dwire, I just included GA as they are the closest to the track that don't live in FL, I appologize.
There were 31 riders not from Florida in the results.
FLAME ON!!!
Well Hawk, you just back up what "sour grapes" means. All you can do is "wonder how the grapes would have come out if the race had been held at Topeka". It wasn't and you were not there and you have to be there to have a chance to win! Thus "sour grapes"! Enjoy! :whine:
HD
Quote from: George_Linhart on October 18, 2010, 03:51:58 PM
Henry/Sean,
Geographically the closest state (outside of Florida) to Homestead would be Georgia. I believe that the point being made is that there were only 26 riders who chose to travel farther than 1 state away. In such a tough economy, doesn't it make some sense to hold an event in a location which is easier for more people to attend rather than farther away?
Is that really so hard to understand ????
Just take your prejudice view and vested interests and put them aside for one moment. At a famous and nationally renown track like Daytona you can draw a good number of racers from around the country. However, with Homestead we have now shown that you are only going to get a handful of riders who choose to make such a long trip even if you call it the Race of Champions. To be precise, we now have evidence that only 26 such riders bothered to show up.
Is this really sour grapes, or perhaps is it looking at and coming up with a reasonable interpretation of hard data? Lets look at it another way. Given the unique geographical issues facing Homestead (located in a far south east side on a long, narrow state bordered by Water on 3 sides) it takes a lot of time and expense to travel there Georgia ireally s the only state entirely within a 12 hour drive (although you could make it from parts of Alabama, Tennessee and South Carolina). Just think about the population densities and consider the ability to draw riders to other track in the country in an equivalent drive. Take a 12 hour radius around Barber and I see that you have Chicago, New York, Washington DC, St. Louis, and Miami, FL.. Topeka has Chicago, Kansas City, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Minneapolis and even Southern cities of Dallas, Oklahoman City, Tulsa, and Houston all within the 12 hour radius.
I'm sorry turnout wasn't better; however, this was predictable.
Hate to interupt your self love vest with intellectual conversation.
George
George, the fact is that you can only guess what the turn-out would have been in Topeka with this economy. I don't think it would have been any better (that's a guess). There were those that wanted the race in Topeka, while others wanted it at Homestead and other tracks. In any case you have to be in it to win it, where ever it is! Homestead was selected for the ROC and the riders that won there are the National Champions! So you can speculate all you want but I say that all those that won at Homestead would have won no matter where it was run!
HD
Quote from: hdpromos on October 18, 2010, 04:31:00 PM
Homestead was selected for the ROC and the riders that won there are the National Champions! So you can speculate all you want but I say that all those that won at Homestead would have won no matter where it was run!
HD
Point taken (but not one I heard anybody arguing about).
Great to see you got back to the self love fest without missing a beat. I knew that I could count on you!
George
George,
I understand guys were pissed before the ROC and will be pissed now that it is done. I can understand them wanting their own ROC.
I understand that there are politics that cause it to be at Homestead.
I don't understand bitching after the ROC that entries sucked. They would have sucked anywhere.
I would have rather had it at Barber. I also have driven to Topeka to race and didn't bitch when I got home that the locals whipped my ass.
I don't understand bitchin that the locals went fast. And to be clear, the guys that came from up north and raced (for the most part) aren't bitching that they didn't win.....guys on the internet that stayed home are bitching. Maybe the guys that raced know something the guys that sat at home don't???
Wherever you have the race....somebody is going to have more track time there. I consistently race at tracks where people have more track time. Won't use it as an excuse....Spies doesn't.
I guess its possible to be fast at Homestead and not be fast at Barber or Topeka or Road America. Doubt it though.
What is a self love fest?
Just playin devils advocate....don't like excuses....love racin. Consider you all brothers in this racing thing
Quote from: George_Linhart on October 18, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
Point taken (but not one I heard anybody arguing about).
Great to see you got back to the self love fest without missing a beat. I knew that I could count on you!
Well George, we agree on something but not so sure I like what you said about "self love"! How about you just speak of your own self love and see if you can keep from missing a stroke! :jerkoff:
HD
if you know Henry, you know he is sitting in front of his computer laughing for an hour cause he came up with that little gem. hahahahaha
Quote from: d-wire on October 18, 2010, 06:12:29 PM
if you know Henry, you know he is sitting in front of his computer laughing for an hour cause he came up with that little gem. hahahahaha
Could not have done it without George's help! Priceless!
HD
Dwire, let me help you out here,
I'm not bitching about the turn-out, quite the opposite, my post was a "Told you so". For the record I was at Daytona last year and would have been in Topeka this year.
Henry, my grapes were sour long before last weekends racing even began, I think even you can figure that one out if you look over my posts and ponder it for a while.
Paul,
"Told you so"?????? What was the original point? Maybe it was about Topeka's weather being suitable for racing?
I just want to say that I drove down from NJ to race and did quite well(one win and two 3rds) despite only having raced there once before about four years ago. Its not one of my favorite tracks but I had a blast and I would go back again despite the drive. The weather was great, the competition was great and the banquet was alot of fun also. I'm just sad the season is over and i'm looking forward to next year.
Peter998, Eric Helmbach....great job. Hope you'll come down in December to keep your skills sharp in your offseason. Funny how these guys.....and others like Bemisderfer,Spalding....all had the same good attitude....easy to have respect for guys that grid up and do their best on any given day.
Dwire, PLEASE try to keep up, I made a post about the number (lack of actually) entries from outside the immediate vicinity of the track. Now here is a cut and paste of my post back in May regarding the choice of location. It shouldn't really be that hard to connect the dots.
#############Post from May discussion of choice of venue###########
What all you SE guys seem to be missing is that this is a ONE time thing. The ROC will be back at Daytona next year and the year after that and the year after that.....
What would have been nice is to have had the ONE off year some where else. I understand that the poll was not binding, I also understand that CCS missed an opportunity to do the members not on the east coast a favor just this ONE time.
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If you would like some more context you can look here http://www.ccsforum.com/index.php/topic,24662.165.html
Quote from: HAWK on October 18, 2010, 06:33:40 PM
Henry, my grapes were sour long before last weekends racing even began, I think even you can figure that one out if you look over my posts and ponder it for a while.
You're right, you've been whining for a long time! :whine:
HD
hahahahaha. Sorry dude. Im just a fucking idiot. I'll try and keep up on the forum. I can't believe I didn't remember what you said in May.
i had a hard time with the track, had the fastest crash of my life in turn 9/10 coming off the banking and did the best that i could and came up a little short. congratulations to all the winners! there was some great racing! see you next year!
tim
Had a great time. Only wished we would of had the race I heard about where everyone removes their mufflers since I blew a hole in mine on Saturday. Some good hard racing for sure.
cant complain about the people or racing. fast guys will be fast no matter what the track. i wasnt real crazy about the track layout. specially after the last couple rounds at VIR & summit. hopefully next year at daytona they use the AMA course again instead of banking at both ends
Lol, great profile pic Team Spalding, is that #277 Buell rider?
Ha ha. Yea that is my buddy Jay.
Good fun racing. Congrats on your ASRA Championships Joel. See you all next season.
Wow, I don't know how many times I looked at that god-awful picture and didn't realize it was JAY.....wow. He's even uglier sleeping then he is awake, LOL! Heard He had an adventurous trip home from the ROC..... Sorry I missed you guys down there and congrads on your #1 plates. See you next year.
Way to go yall.
Quote from: ScubaSteve on October 18, 2010, 11:04:29 AM
I still say to move the ROC's every year to a different venue that can support it.
sounds like a good idea. also with the threat of Gateway closing for 2011 it would have been cool for CCS to throw a big bash for possibly their last race ever. I know, I know, Gateway isnt the greatest track out there but it would have been cool none the less.
Congrats to all the winners!
As to the location, I think more people voted in favor of HPT than actually showed up at Homestead, so it is pretty easy to draw the conclusion that the turn out would have been far better in Topeka. That was pretty obvious in the poll, but for some reason, CCS chose to ignore it. Too bad for CCS, because ultimately it is their loss. FWIW Henry, you come across as a real prick online, but maybe that is what you are going for.
Jack,
While I understand your frustration, please keep in mind that Kevin is not getting rich from this organization.
While I also wished for a different outcome, I also realize that there are factors we are unaware of and that, believe it or not, attendance is what Kevin is after as well. Without riders paying entry fees, he will come out on the short end.
I am just saying that as a rider, and as riders, we need to be a bit patient and support the organization and its leadership the best we can. Always voice your opinion but realize that when you ask which way to go, some will say left, some will say right, ultimately, you are going to anger someone when a decision is made.
I don't know Henry so..... LOL!
Quote from: Jack_Brock on October 20, 2010, 03:33:46 PM
FWIW Henry, you come across as a real prick online, but maybe that is what you are going for.
Some say that in person, I'm even worse? :wtf:
HD
Quote from: Jack_Brock on October 20, 2010, 03:33:46 PM
As to the location, I think more people voted in favor of HPT than actually showed up at Homestead, so it is pretty easy to draw the conclusion that the turn out would have been far better in Topeka. That was pretty obvious in the poll, but for some reason, CCS chose to ignore it. Too bad for CCS, because ultimately it is their loss.
i didn't even get to go.. but this statement is pure, 100%, good o' fasioned speculation.. Even YOU have to understand that many people that say "i would rather go here".. would still not go. Is it possible the turn out would have been better? Perhaps. Murphys law may have reared up had it been at Topeka and the weather could have been shit.
Budget and just "Stuff that came up" kept me from attending, I would love to have been there but riding dirt bikes wasn't a horrible consolation.
BIG props to the riders that DID treck across country to have some fun in the sun.
Oh.. and HD isn't ALL that bad..lol.
I, along with most people in the Midwest were disappointed that Topeka didn't work out as a site for ROC.
While not having any inside information, I think it's a safe to say that Kevin has a desireable rental arrangement in place with the Daytona owners (who also own Homestead).
Considering the turn out across the country for races this year it obviously was best to run ROC with minimal financial risk.
That location must have been Homestead.
Quote from: hdpromos on October 20, 2010, 05:01:21 PM
Some say that in person, I'm even worse? :wtf:
HD
Bossy ass. hee hee
Key Biscayne had a great turnout - lets have it in Costa Rica next year!! Partaaaay!
So I'm not one to get on here that often let alone bitch about anything on here. But if you ask me it was pretty cut and dry as to why the ROC went to Homestead..... If we EVER want to go back to Daytona we had to hold that finale race somewhere where the OWNERS of Daytona didn't lose any money, and that would be Homestead because they are owned by the same people!!!!
Also for everyone bitching on here.... We (Team Stiles/Ryan) made the haul down to Homestead from Wisconsin. Yes we did go to try and win the ASRA TC Championship but we also went because it was a new track for us. Racing the same track week in and week out sucks. Your always racing the same people on the same track...... How do you really know how good of a racer you are until you go some place new against new people.
If its within my budget I'll go race anywhere. I don't care how far or how crappy the track or the weather may be.
I LIVE to race.
Sooo yer saying that I can hitch a ride next year? hehe - honestly if hte ROC had been at Topeka I would have made it but couldn't swing Miami (Have family in Wichita) so I can definitely say there would have been 1 LW racer at Topeka nod nod nod.....
Imho - it's over and done, gratz to those that got ROC wood and let's just get the offseason bits done and have a great 2011 season
Quote from: MegRyan on October 21, 2010, 03:59:42 PM
So I'm not one to get on here that often let alone bitch about anything on here. But if you ask me it was pretty cut and dry as to why the ROC went to Homestead..... If we EVER want to go back to Daytona we had to hold that finale race somewhere where the OWNERS of Daytona didn't lose any money, and that would be Homestead because they are owned by the same people!!!!
Also for everyone bitching on here.... We (Team Stiles/Ryan) made the haul down to Homestead from Wisconsin. Yes we did go to try and win the ASRA TC Championship but we also went because it was a new track for us. Racing the same track week in and week out sucks. Your always racing the same people on the same track...... How do you really know how good of a racer you are until you go some place new against new people.
If its within my budget I'll go race anywhere. I don't care how far or how crappy the track or the weather may be.
I LIVE to race.
racers race! gotta love it.. !
I just wanna say congrats to all of you that could make it. That takes some serious dedication in this economy. Great racing, totally a family atmosphere, and better yet?? Everyone was going home healthy / alive! That in itself made my weekend!
Congratulations to all of our National Champions! And thanks to those that made them work for it! That was too much fun........ :cheers:
Look out for a certain 16 yr old next yr!
I for one thoroughly enjoyed my first ever Tam Challenge race. Racing this weekend has made me a fan of this endurance stuff, utilizing not only speed, but strategy, physical fitness and the right decision at the right time. makes me want to follow the whole series around.
What I was disappointed in was the low turn out. I would have expected that at least all the Florida or near Florida folks would have attended.
What I was impressed with was all the fast folks from out of town. I think everyone from the rest of the Nation was fast.
You know what they should have done? Had a poll to see where most of the racers prefered to have the ROC. That might have gone a long way towards boosting the turn out. Just an idea.
Quote from: TIM PROBST on October 24, 2010, 10:50:17 PM
You know what they should have done? Had a poll to see where most of the racers prefered to have the ROC. That might have gone a long way towards boosting the turn out. Just an idea.
You're either a "friggin genius" or a "wise guy"? Shall we have a poll? :rollseyes:
HD
i vote wise guy.. 8)
however it was a fairly clever post?? :biggrin: