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Motorcycle Talk => Motorcycle Talk => Topic started by: backMARKr on July 23, 2008, 11:54:17 AM

Title: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: backMARKr on July 23, 2008, 11:54:17 AM
Another question regarding pitbikes and usage fees at the track (BHF and anywhere else for that matter):

If you have a scooter/pitbike and it is licensed and insured, do you have to pay the permit fees?


thanks
M
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: EX_#76 on July 23, 2008, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: backMARKr on July 23, 2008, 11:54:17 AM
Another question regarding pitbikes and usage fees at the track (BHF and anywhere else for that matter):

If you have a scooter/pitbike and it is licensed and insured, do you have to pay the permit fees?


thanks
M

No
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: backMARKr on July 23, 2008, 01:35:54 PM
Quote from: EX_#76 on July 23, 2008, 01:35:17 PM
No

You ....are my hero!
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: GKBuzz on July 23, 2008, 10:26:53 PM
I beg to differ with the "no" answer. As I'm supposed to announce it, per Tommy, all motorized pit veh's must be reg with BHF. Pay for one race weekend or all season. All pit veh's must be operated by a street licensed operator. However, I will again ask for a clarification from Tommy and announce the hell out of it this weekend. NOW! Lets have fun at BHF!!
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: Jason748 on July 23, 2008, 10:35:05 PM
I heard for you it's double...
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: backMARKr on July 23, 2008, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: Jason748 on July 23, 2008, 10:35:05 PM
I heard for you it's double...

you ....my dear Bartlett......suck! :finger:


Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: Burt Munro on July 23, 2008, 10:59:31 PM
Grant,

I know you aren't the one making the rules..........  but,

How is a licensed and insured pit bike any different from the motorcycle I ride to the track?

I haven't been expected to register my street bike with BHF.

Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 24, 2008, 01:40:33 AM
Quote from: Burt Munro on July 23, 2008, 10:59:31 PM
Grant,

I know you aren't the one making the rules..........  but,

How is a licensed and insured pit bike any different from the motorcycle I ride to the track?

I haven't been expected to register my street bike with BHF.



Probably because you cant ride a moped to the track. Pretty sure IL is like WI and mopeds are restricted to roads with speed limits of 35 or less.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: gpz11 on July 24, 2008, 01:43:02 PM
I have a street legal scooter and I did register it with Tommy BUT I didn't have to pay anything. You do have to show Tommy the insurance papers and sign a form.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: tzracer on July 25, 2008, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 24, 2008, 01:40:33 AM
Probably because you cant ride a moped to the track. Pretty sure IL is like WI and mopeds are restricted to roads with speed limits of 35 or less.

Mopeds are restricted to a top speed of 35mph. They are not restricted to roads with speed limits under 35mph. Any road on which you can ride a bicycle, you can also ride a moped.

See http://www.dot.state.wi.us/safety/vehicle/motorcycle/mopeds.htm
From the above site:

"Restrictions and entitlements

You may ride your moped on any roadway except freeways or roads where mopeds are specifically prohibited. You may not operate a moped on sidewalks, along fence lines or off the traveled surface of the roadway.

Mopeds are entitled to a full traffic lane but may not impede traffic. Mopeds may use bike paths if signs permit them or where they are required by local law to use bike paths. Don't operate a moped on private property without the property owner's permission. Mopeds may park in spaces designated for other motor vehicles, in bicycle racks or on sidewalks, unless otherwise prohibited. But avoid riding on sidewalks or interfering with pedestrians.

Mopeds are designed for only one person. It is illegal to carry a passenger on a moped."

So as long as you do not use the freeway, you can ride a moped to BHF.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: weggieman on July 25, 2008, 07:23:32 PM
OK, enough about mopeds. The situation is, if i ride my BMW to the track I don't need to register it with BHF but I would need to register my Honda Elite scooter even though it is street legal, licensed and insured same as the Beemer? That is bullshit! I don't care if there is no cost for it. If you must register one street legal, licensed vehicle then you must register all of them or none. I told Tom many years ago I would not register my scooter because it was a legal, licensed and insured vehicle the same as the car he drove in. It's a stupid rule if it's still that way.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: Woofentino Pugrossi on July 26, 2008, 02:37:46 AM
Quote from: tzracer on July 25, 2008, 03:16:45 PM
Mopeds are restricted to a top speed of 35mph. They are not restricted to roads with speed limits under 35mph. Any road on which you can ride a bicycle, you can also ride a moped.

See http://www.dot.state.wi.us/safety/vehicle/motorcycle/mopeds.htm
From the above site:

"Restrictions and entitlements

You may ride your moped on any roadway except freeways or roads where mopeds are specifically prohibited. You may not operate a moped on sidewalks, along fence lines or off the traveled surface of the roadway.

Mopeds are entitled to a full traffic lane but may not impede traffic. Mopeds may use bike paths if signs permit them or where they are required by local law to use bike paths. Don't operate a moped on private property without the property owner's permission. Mopeds may park in spaces designated for other motor vehicles, in bicycle racks or on sidewalks, unless otherwise prohibited. But avoid riding on sidewalks or interfering with pedestrians.

Mopeds are designed for only one person. It is illegal to carry a passenger on a moped."

So as long as you do not use the freeway, you can ride a moped to BHF.

Thats WI. IL may have different regs.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: Jeff on July 26, 2008, 01:49:21 PM
While perhaps asinine, I do believe BHF is private property and they're entitled to apply pretty much any restriction they want...
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: weggieman on July 27, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
Granted and I know the reason behind the asinine rule. But if they would spank the guilty parties instead of making blanket asinine rules it would be much better. Hammer the guilty ones bad enough that it teaches everyone a lesson instead of punishing everyone for a few idiots.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: Jeff on July 28, 2008, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: weggieman on July 27, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
Granted and I know the reason behind the asinine rule. But if they would spank the guilty parties instead of making blanket asinine rules it would be much better. Hammer the guilty ones bad enough that it teaches everyone a lesson instead of punishing everyone for a few idiots.


100% AGREE!!!!
That is the one thing I don't understand...  When people KNOWINGLY disregard the rules and get a slap on the wrist.  I don't think I've ever seen anyone thrown out of a racing event, and have encountered a handful of situations over the years where I thought it well warranted.  I understand the need for customer service, but a public execution every now and again does the village some good.
Title: Re: Pit Bike Question --- BHF etc.
Post by: weggieman on July 28, 2008, 10:32:07 PM
Amen brother.............let's execute someone!!