Supersport and Superbike ???

[Lowe119]

How many racers have a bike that is not Supersport legal - or I should say - that does not race in Supersport? I don't see many people sitting out the Supersport and waiting for the Superbike class.

I see just as many people racing Superbike as race Supersport - and I don't see them switching bikes? Okay - maybe Ed Key does. But in all the consolidation going on in the other classes, why not just get rid of a few Superbike or Supersport classes? Why does there have to be a Supersport Middleweight, Heavyweight, and Unlimited - along with a Middleweight Superbike, Heavyweight Superbike, AND Unlimited GP?

Do you need the Unlimited Supersport to give yourself a chance against the one Tularis? Do people need the Heavyweight Supersport so they aren't against the highly modified Superbikes?

Why not get rid of Middleweight Superbike and tell people to race in Middleweight GP?

I am asking - not complaining. Maybe it is just my perception. ;) I was just thinking about this while thinking about the "blue plate" concept for those between total amateurs and full-blown experts.

[Jeff]

Why get rid of a class that has consistently fat grids?

[grasshopper]

He is correct about the same # of people gridding up for SS and SB races. At least what I've seen in LW. It's funny, because you know half of the bikes running SS are not SS legal. And the only thing tech checks after a race for the podium guys is to see if your airbox is modified. I find that to be completely bogus! I'm running a SS legal SV650. And I know its SS legal and there are guys on the (SUPPOSABLY) same exact SS legal SV machine walking past me on the straights.

I guess thats why they have the protest rule. But who the hell is going to protest unless you're running for the championship. I'm not going to protest against people and make enemies. I just want to go race my bike and have fun.

I still think its funny how they only check the damn airbox.  :o

[hi-side_racing]

I have run 2 seasons in SB only classes... once on an SV and 2 years later on a ZX-6. It was mostly because I just didnt feel like swapping tires back and forth, but then it became essential when I grenaded both motors and had them rebuilt to sb specs... then grenaded them again  >:(

[Steviebee]

there are those people that run SB in SS classes.

Its been a Big deal in the SV class  (where it makes a good deal of difference)  so there seems to have been enough guys complaining about them that its seems llike most guys are running a SS and a SB bike.

Middleweights on the otherhand have so much more performance that 95% of the guys cant get 100% out of thier bike.  so the 15% (maybee less maybee more) of the guys that "cheat" (call it what u like) still wont do a lap time that say "Super Dave" can on a 98% stock 600.

I only did a few weekends last year but 1 instance i was racing and trying to pass an R6 which would pull away from my 750 on each straight at Blackhawk. ??  go figure on that.  HE was doing lap times almost 2 secs slower than what i could do.

There will always bee those guys,  unless "We" protest em, then they will get away with it.

Atleast FUSA measures HP and weight!  I love that.

Actually im surprised CCS doesnt ADD another middle weight class,  its the money maker for them.  and a lot of the 600 guys run in HW and UL classes.  

At least CCS made a class equivalent to AMA superbike now.

[lbk]

He is correct about the same # of people gridding up for SS and SB races. At least what I've seen in LW. It's funny, because you know half of the bikes running SS are not SS legal. And the only thing tech checks after a race for the podium guys is to see if your airbox is modified. I find that to be completely bogus! I'm running a SS legal SV650. And I know its SS legal and there are guys on the (SUPPOSABLY) same exact SS legal SV machine walking past me on the straights.

I guess thats why they have the protest rule. But who the hell is going to protest unless you're running for the championship. I'm not going to protest against people and make enemies. I just want to go race my bike and have fun.

I still think its funny how they only check the damn airbox.  :o

OR IN SOME PEOPLE'S CASES THEY DON'T CHECK THE AIRBOX. Care to ellaborate?

[Lowe119]

Why get rid of a class that has consistently fat grids?

I can see that point, if they are different bikes..... But why not call it Race 1 and Race II if they are the same bikes?

[grasshopper]

OR IN SOME PEOPLE'S CASES THEY DON'T CHECK THE AIRBOX. Care to ellaborate?

Theres a little sticky note on the back of that Wood!  ;D And that was a leason learned.

Thanks Dave!

But the point I'm making is that out of all the other modifications that can be done to an SV they check  one of the most insignificant parts. THE AIRBOX!

What? On a stock bore SS legal SV650 with a hacked out airbox snorkle you gain 2 hp? 2 HP!!! I could take a dump before a race and gain 2 HP.

What else do they check besides the airbox, to see if your charging system and starter are intact?

[Jeff]

I can see if they are different bikes? But why not call it Race 1 and Race II if they are the same bikes?

Race 1 - Race 2
Slicks - Dots
Supersport - Superbike

What's the diff.....

[Lowe119]

Race 1 - Race 2
Slicks - Dots
Supersport - Superbike

What's the diff.....

Well, since they are the same bikes, they could combine the results.  Or instead they could have a race with different people - like the blue plate idea.

I think you could have 5 Middleweight Supersport races and still have fat grids. I would like to see a difference in the races - if they are going to call them something different.

Just a throwing some thoughts out there.  :-/

[Protein Filled]

I think it depends on the person whether they would race a bike that is not legal for the class. I only raced Superbike and GP in the LW classes since my bike was not legal for Supersport, even when I was running a bike that had the stock airbox and you could not tell from the outside that the motor was built.

Regarding the classes, there are a few people who only race Superbike or GP. Another thing to note is that some people swap to lighter wheels or slicks like previously mentioned.

Getting rid of that one race (MWSB) would not open enough track time to make it work the way Dave mentioned previously. They would need to get rid of quite a few races. Maybe the whole superbike class all the way throughout? Then it goes back to the same ole thing that since there are less entries, they will have to charge you more for the races. I personally would like to do three 8 lap sprints more than two 12 lap sprints, if the amount of money you are spending is the same.

I, for one, like it that the 600 has 3 classes where it is nothing other than 600's. It's not a big deal to race against 750's or 1000's in smaller tracks, but try to follow a 1000 at Brainerd, Daytona or Road America! You will have to ride your butt off just to keep them in sight while they are just cruising around.

[Zac]

I've always thought they should combine the superbike and GP classes into one for each displacement.  With the elimination of the redundant classes, the extra time could be used to extend the length of the superbike/gp races (in AMA superbike races are longer than supersport), or have heat races for the gridding of these races.  Charge the cost of two races.  Riders would still have the same amount of track time if there were running both superbike and GP.

-z.