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f2 race suspenion set up?
« on: February 16, 2005, 02:14:25 pm »
can any one tell me, what the ride height should be for a f2 race bike?  the front has race tech springs and valves,ohlins rear .looking for rear ride height #s eye to eye shock lenth ,just a ball park #S to start from.want to run thunder bike class.any one?
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2005, 08:01:46 am »
thanks h-man allready got those notes, but cant belive the wera guys are the only one's that race f2s.some one has to have some notes on these bikes, i know thunder bike is mostly svs but cant a f2  have a chance?
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2005, 08:42:10 am »
With the right pilot an F2 does have a good chance in Thunderbike.  At least that's my impression formthe few joint MW/GL/GP region events I've attended.  I beleive Super Dave may have mentioned or written soemthing to this effect also.

I pilot an F2.  That's why I say, in the right hands.  I'm a fairly new rider much less racer and wouldn't use my experience as the end all in this area.

By all means, bring your F2 and join the fun.

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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2005, 10:26:28 am »
well iam not the right poilt ,and the bike wont be in proper hands etheir. but i still cant belive no one can help in bike set up. iam out to have some fun but dont want to waste tires if i dont have to.i would like to be competive, but i guess this class is world gp now and not club racing.too bad ,maybe i should have got an sv then i know at least paul buxton would have help out.
                     
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2005, 03:48:22 pm »
Ok, my F2 was a mess...

As per the era, I think we ran the front forks 1/4" above the stock setting.  I remember that Randy Renfrow was really fast at Daytona in 1994, and that he ran his shock at almost the stock ride height.  If anything, I might only be a bit longer.

Gettin' rid of the Suzuki, A...
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2005, 08:12:33 pm »
sure ill sell very thing .tring for a new bike next year.see you at one of your classes with brent.thanks dave i'll start with the stock setting
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2005, 10:07:28 pm »
All right!  Something I know about!  Well, I ragged the livin' bejezus out of an F2 for a couple years in the early 90's.  I ran -7mm up front with a stock spring and stock damping, and since this is from memory and I'm getting old... I think 10W bel-ray, the level escapes me though.  I had a fox twin clicker as high as it'd go.  Clip-ons below the triple clamp.  The setup seemed to be better on slicks, but the DOTs were not that different size wise if I remember right. I do remember running as low as -10mm and as high as -3 mm, just not at what tracks.  Hope this helps a little bit.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2005, 06:09:54 am »
thanks cardzilla.the info would help if i knew what you were talking about? iam stupid got the front down but the back ? -10mm -3mm what? just tell me were to measure from.whats the stock setting i've got an f3 manual but cant finnd the shock setting.i must be thinking to hard its not rocket sceince. thanks for the help if i can ever help i will
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2005, 10:07:44 am »
No, I would move the front ride height around between -10 and -3 mm.  The back I can't say the actual height, just that it was as high as a fox twin clicker would go (that oughtta date me  ;) ). I think putting the clip ons below the clamp helped more than anything, before that it felt like racing a Hardley.  -7 mm seemed to be a good comprimise on the front.  Had to be sure to get those Sportmaxes spinning to be comfy, you may want more rear grip.  Sportmaxes... man, have tires evolved or what?
PS - by -7mm I mean lowering the front end / raising the forks in the tree.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2005, 10:19:10 am »
Kept my stock clip-ons the whole time.  Still use stock clip-ons on the R6 too.

My F2...yeah, ride height was maxed too...

But my frame was bent real bad, we figured out after racing if for about a year and a half.  Really, me maxing out the rear end was just a way to reduce the trail that my frame had...the front axle was further from the front motor mount.

Alfredo, what's bugging you on the bike?  Seems like we were close once, and now you're sounding a little disappointed...

How you'll set it up for Road America WILL be different than Blackhawk.  There are reasons why.  I can help you with that...
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2005, 01:59:00 pm »
dave i blew the motor up at black hawk, took the holething apart.took the forks apart and built them to my weight,sent the shock out to be rebuild for my weight,the guy befor me was 160pds,way smaller then me dave.greased the whole bike( wasent taken care of)got anthor motor from ebay .putting the bike back together and lost the paper work, i had with all my measurements on it.so now i got nothing to start from. thats whats bothering me along with setting wating to rehab my knee taking the pills you told me about.so there you have it davetrying not to spend too much$$$$ this year wife wants to build new house,so i said i'll race one class only ya right.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2005, 02:03:14 pm »
and anther thing dave i dont like bothering you, like some people do at the track,always asking you to push and pull. but never take your class,i know you got your own thing going on too.but i will ask you when i see you at black hawk .
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2005, 04:06:28 am »
Alfredo, you took one of my classes.  Wasn't recently, but...

You can hit me up anytime, Alfredo.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2005, 03:15:58 pm »
sauce:
I'm sure I won't be much help with your settings because my bike is far from stock. Just wanted to let ya know that I'm runnin thunder bike this year as well.
My 91 F2 has 2003 600RR front and rear rims, both tripples, forks,and clipons with a 01F4I swing arm.
I ran thunder bike on the last race weekend and got 3rd  ??? Got back to the shop to find out the bike was only makin 73rwhp, Now I'm done with dyno work and i've got 91.5rwhp  ;)we'll see what go's down in vegas? When the bike is done it'll have 600RR bodywork and A undertail exhaust ;D
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2005, 03:32:37 pm »
do you have a 6oorr front end?or just rims.i thought you had to keep the front ends stock.only could change the guts in the forks.mine is race tech and my motor is a e-bay special(hope it last at least road america week end)ohlins rear shock,dont know where to start for ride height but i'll find somthing.let me know how it turns out.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2005, 04:24:58 pm »
Everything in the front is RR, From syspention to brakes. Everything I changed out is lighter than stock as well! the rear ride hight on my bike is much higher than stock. By how much I don't know. Right now it looks like crap, I'll try to post up a pic.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2005, 05:53:23 pm »
i thought you had to keep the front ends stock,thats what ive been told.thats also the reason i didnt change to an f3 front end.let know how it works and if its legal.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2005, 07:04:04 pm »
I'm going of of CCS rule book from 04
Check the part 6.5 Thunderbike machines are BASED on production models, Didn't say they had to be?

6.5.1. Machines not sold by manufacturer/dealer may be approved on A individual basis, whitch it was because i raced on 3/5/05 and got 3rd...

6.11.2 /A/.. Frame, Cyclinder head(s), and Engine cases MUST BE from same production model.

I'll bring the stock front end and rim with me to vegas just in case theres some noise to be told? All in all I don't see the harm you installing the F3 front end with wheel!
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2005, 04:23:04 am »
i'll have to check with tech here(midwest)and go from there,let me know how it runs in vegas.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2005, 05:55:20 am »
The rule book says nothing about Thunderbikes needing the stock front suspension.

6.5 THUNDERBIKE - Thunderbike machines, except single cylinder machines, are based
upon production models, sold by manufacturers and their dealers in North America for
street use. Proof of compliance rests with the competitor entering the motorcycle. Single
cylinder machines are exempt from production and street use requirements. Single cylinder
2 stroke GP road race machines are not allowed in this class. All machines must have
unaltered VIN numbers.
NOTE: Ducati 748/749 Series machines are excluded from this class.
6.5.1 Production machines not sold by manufacturers and their dealers for street use in
North America via normal commercial channels may be approved on an individual
basis. FORMULA USA will maintain a list of non-standard approved models and that
list will be available at each event from the Race Director/Referee.
6.5.2. All machines must meet the equipment standards of Section 5, as well as the
following:
A. Frame, cylinder head(s) and engine cases must be from the same production model
motorcycle. Single cylinder motorcycles may use any frame and engine.
B. The frame must be as originally supplied by the manufacturer on the approved
model. Strengthening gussets or tubes may be added. Only brackets or tubes not
supporting suspension, engine, or drive line components may be removed. Swing
arms may be modified or replaced and rear shocks may be replaced or relocated.
Single cylinder motorcycles are excluded from this restriction.
C. Reducing engine size of machines from stock displacement to meet Thunder class
displacement limits is not allowed.
D. Fairings that meet the requirements of Section 5 may be used.
E. Liquid cooling is not allowed unless original equipment on the model being used.
F. Original type of induction system must be retained. If a machine originally was sold
with fuel injection, then it must remain fuel injected. If the machine originally
came with carburetors, then it must use carburetors, however they need not be the
original type or size.
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2005, 06:10:30 am »
But if you want to run the F2 in Supersport, then you do...

The questions have to be...

Cost, availability, set up, weight.

Can you get the parts, how much more will it cost, how much more will it weigh, and...

Can you set it up properly?  It's just an additional variable.

I race real vintage bikes.  I have been racing for a team with old Hondas.  The bikes have been modified by various people over years.  Three different frames, three different swingarms, three different ideas...no one really understanding what is needed.  

The F2 was a really good bike in its time.  Still a good bike.  Didn't Barney prove that at Daytona?  
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2005, 06:43:37 am »
Super Dave:
I have to admit. When I first got the idea to build the F2 I joked about makin it look like the 600RR to a few friends. Yah, they gave me crap. Never did I know at the time how close I was to doin it.
After the bike was broken down and the list was made I found I wouldn't have to spend any cash if I used some of my RR spairs and used shop
stock :D...After I'm totaly done with the bike I should have somewhere around $1,000. out of pocket in the bike and my time(LOTS) But that'll be for the F2 to sit as an RR, under tail exhaust and all
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2005, 07:58:55 am »
thats too much work for me,and iam just playing around this year anyway(like every year)but id still like to see it
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2005, 09:10:57 am »
Check your inbox 8)
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2005, 12:18:03 pm »
very cool  ;)love to try it out :o
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Re: f2 race suspenion set up?
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2005, 06:18:10 am »
It works good now but need a little tweekin. I hope I have the time to get everything workin by oct for the race of champ, If I can get a spot that is ???
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