Who did the stunt show at Blackhawk?

[EM JAY]

  Hey any of you remember who did the stunt show at Blackhawk in 2004?  It was put on over the lunch hour.   Yea, yea, yea, stunters...blah blah blah, be nice!   8)   What did or do you all think about it?  What if it was bringing a *positive* message?  Thanks in advance.    

[Thorny]

Don't think for a minute stunters on the highways and rural roads are sending anything but negative image. As for "Vertical Mischief" at B-hawk last year, they aren't as polished as D-Aces had been in the past. Pretty repetitious as far as the tricks they filled lunch with, wheelies-burnouts-stoppie-longer wheelie figure eight burnout-longer stoppie-slower wheelie..etc..etc...etc.  
 I am good friends from the 2 guys who made up D-Aces, who presently are working apart on the stunter junk, they have 3 videos that they tour the country and sell and promote. Dan has told me that people who are stunter fans have said they like the street stunts better than the controlled track stuff.
 Good impression? If you are on a highway discussing if your 16-18yr. old can buy a sportbike and a guy goes by standing on his seat with a video crew in a car swerving around to get "the shot" at say,70mph, where will your decision go from there? Ask a dealer that loves motorcycles and you will him say these same things.

[Speedballer347]

Pretty repetitious as far as the tricks they filled lunch with

Nothing more repititous than going round and round on the track. Your the exception though... I getz thrillz watching you  ;) :D

[EM JAY]

 Thanks man, I'm with you on the "street stunter" stuff too, BUT, I still watch and occasionally will buy a video myself.  The stuff I've been seeing has been getting old tho.  What if it was a real tight show, new stuff, and someone had info to pass out and maybe someone to preech a bit....would sound like a "do as I say not as I do" speech tho right?

   Vertical Mischief, how did they get the spot at lunch to do there thang anyway?  Thru CCS?

[Woofentino Pugrossi]

Yea it was Vertical Mischief there. PRetty much rode with all of them (Ryan, Phatty, Joe, Dan (not D-ace Dan) and neal before he got a bike but always had his truck) on street rides at one time or another before they started stunting. Hell I took pictures of them at a stunt comp on Lake Koshgenong in January. Kinda wierd seeing sportbikes doing wheelies on ice. Some of the pics I took will be in Super Streetbike. ;D

Thorny I do agree that doing on the highway is sending a neg image. Kneedraggin on the street isnt much better, but it doesnt draw as much attention to it as much as some kid passing someone in a car on one wheel. How many times have you been asked by a kid in a car to "drag a knee?" ;D

I've hashed it out with VMC in the past. Its not that they did stunts that bothered me, it was when they did it on Milton Ave that did. And it wasnt just them doing it a couple years ago. Almost every freaking newbie I see in town now yanks one. VMC has been trying to keep practice on parking lots and not streets. Too bad theres really no place that will just let them use a lot on teh weekends when no ones there.

Now you cant ride in Janesville without being followed, harrassed, screamed at and threatened while on a sportbike. And thats just from the police, they havent started swerving at bikers like a fre "citizens" have here. >:(


Mike I think they are in contact with Mike Irwin (track owner). From what Ryan said at Lake Koshgenong, they will be doing another one at the AMA Road America lunch again.

[Super Dave]

Round and round a race track is a competition.  

A competition where there is a winner and looser based on who crosses the finish line first.  Yeah, it's repeticious, but execution is paramount in getting it done the fastest.  Risk can involved slower times, or faster times.

Stunna...

If were talking about a competition...it's a points system.  A points system based on someones opinion.  

It's the difference between speed skating and figure skating.  Show me something different.

Most of the stunter videos I've seen involve riding sportbikes in traffic doing stunts.

I race a sportbike, but I don't execute how I race outside of a controlled enviornment.  I believe that the proliferation of stunt actions on the street only server to place a stigma on me as a motorcyclist, let alone a racer.  Hey, the public recognizes "crotch rockets"...

Great, so now when a rider goes to a company and says, "Hey, help me do this thing, and I'll advertise for you..."  this CEO is thinking..."Do I want my hard work on the side of one of those rocket things...I saw some punk riding one down the interstate past a mini van full of Nuns and Newborns..."

I don't see where it has any place in the main stream.  I don't see where it should have any place at a competition.  You don't see "Ultimate Figure Skaters" competing at half time between short track speed skating events.

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[Speedballer347]

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Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

On they street they are dangerous punks....on the track they are repititous and boring  :-/

Round and round a race track is a competition

It is still pretty boring to watch unless it's your buddies out there, or watching the fast club experts sliding around.

Flame away, twinkies ;D


I race for fun, and stuntride for fun...period!

[Super Dave]

Well, on the track...

Use my terminology...  A half time show of figure skaters at a speed skating event.  Not sure where the cross market is.  I don't necessarily think the people that are in to hard core stunting are into road racing...and visa versa...

I liked D-Aces because they would do some things that seemed different to me.  I'm on the outside, so you're gonna have to show me something new.  I've seen really fast wheelies, fast stoppies.  The Cory started doing some 12 O'clock slow burnouts...I liked that.  Hadn't seen it.  New to me.  I've seen people fall down...that isn't new.  

Cory was doing some brakies that he turned into a 180 at the end.  I liked that to.  Neither of these examples would be done on an interstate system.  The precision and body control I can appreciate.

Competition...

Ok, so some people are fun to watch.

But Jesse Janisch and Kevin Hanson and I can go and watch a cool amateur race.  Ain't no top experts, but you can see people working, making mistakes...all about perspective.

Dangerous punks...

The videos prove it.  Show me that riding down the interstate at the speed limit, below, or above isn't "punkish"...  That's supposed to be practice?  I have to go rent a track, go to a track day, or actually wait for practice to work my craft.  Or buy a dirt bike, etc.

[Speedballer347]

Everybody's been a punk once or twice in their life.

[Super Dave]

Yeah...

But most of us didn't video tape it, make DVD's, and then try to develop a marketing group for it...

Making sense?

[dylanfan53]

Flame away, twinkies ;D

Okay, here goes...

When I see stunters...oh, 'scuse me stunnas, I am very impressed with how graceful they are with their machines.

Very fluid...almost like slow motion...moving as one...

Beautiful...graceful in an almost efeminate sort of way...kind of like...

those ladies in the swimming pool doing coordinated water ballet...

those young buffed men with their pretty helmets...tattooed bodies with colorful designs just like the ladies with their flowery rubber bathing caps...yeah, that's it....

They remind me of a freakin' water ballet!!

 :P
 ;D

Addendum (ooh, a lawyer word):
The above is meant as a joke.  Some of my best friends are stunnas, okay they're not.

Okay, I don't have any friends.

Okay, I've exceeded my two beer limit. G'nite.

[grasshopper]

I Love motorcycles!

I love riding, racing, watching, learning, wrenching, competing and anything and everthing that has to do with motorcycles.

Isn't that the great thing about motorcyles? How there are so many different variations of the sport?

Motorcycling has always (SINCE DAY ONE) been a potentially hazardous sport! Since the first hooligan Nitwit put a motor in a bicycle frame!

How about Board Track Racing? That was outlawed!

How many different variations of motorcycling can we think of at this time? Lets See... Hmmmmm???

Road Racing, Flat Track, TT, Motocross, Trials, Hillclimb, Ice Racing, Hair and hound, Motorcycle Couriers in London, Endurance, Supermoto, Baha raing, Trail Riding, Touring, sportbikes, Cruisers, Choppers, Speedway Racing.... Just going out for a ride with your friends riding...

We all can't forget the infamous hardcore bikers, the HARLEY RIDERS of the 60's and 70's... Those guys are rebels!!! Those Damn Bike Gangs! Hells Angels! Outlaws!!!

OH THOSE STUNTERS, OH NO  :o They are such a discrace to the motorcycle community. ???

In reality, no they are not a discrace. Motorcycles and riding motorcycles has always been a frowned upon and dangerous activity thru history for the general population, But loved so much by the people who ride.

Stunters, hardcore streetbike riders, are part of the motorcycle community and culture. Its a form, a variation of the sport. Love it or hate, the variation, just like the rest of the variations of motorcycling I listed above are not going away or anywhere from the sport.

I like watching stunters and doing my little bit of stunting just as much as any other style of the sport.

You know what would be more cool than a stunt show at Lunch on a CCS weekend. Some Trials riders performing some acrobatic acts... No NO, you know what would even be better????? Set up a huge Ramp and If Metzger Jumped over the registration Builing on his dirtbike. Wait, its easier to just have "STUNNAS"

I Say Let Em Ride!!!!! ;)