1pc. or 2 pc. Leathers?

[Super Dave]

I'm in Oxtar's myself.  I think they both do the same thing...just a different execution.

[cornercamping]

Dave you have the Ti's ?   Can you wear Ti's when your racing CCS?  I've heard before that since Titanium causes sparks, your not allowed to have ti sliders.  That go for boots also?   I forgot where I read it.  Probably one of the BBS.  I have to order new sliders for the season, so I'm wondering if I should just order the plastic one's instead of ti.

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[Nbot]

Hey Rook,
read this thread for some info...I went for the 2-piece b/c of my height as you will see....http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65236.
I've got the Alpinestar's SMX plus, you can see them at newenough.com, and gotta say they did their job; my '94 FZR1000 lowsided on me and I didn't get my foot out of the way in time and the bike landed and rode on my ankle until we both stopped!!! I'm pretty sure that I'd have a broken ankle w/o some good boots on...at first I was like, man $200+ for boots, that's expensive, but now I'm thinking that I got a pretty good deal;) what with not missing work for three months and hospital bills and co-pays......here's the ankle that night.....

[Super Dave]

Dan, yeah, I think I have the Ti's...  What ever I have, I have.

You can just take off the Ti part of the slider.  No big deal.  Just a fancy little plate.

Good stuff will keep you safer than other stuff.

I've worn Vansons since 1991.  I've been ran over, tossed, pummeled, etc.  Broke my finger in 1996...'cause I wore my wedding ring.  I've watched others have more severe injuries.  I won't infer about other leathers and how they protect, but I KNOW how the Vanson's work.  If you value your job...buy Vansons made by American workers.

[Protein Filled]

Broke my finger in 1996...'cause I wore my wedding ring.

That is one of the reasons I refuse to wear a wedding ring! Those things are dangerous I tell you!!!

[spyderchick]

For race use: One piece, one piece, one piece.
Feel free to email me if you have any questions or concerns regarding sizing or brands. STAY AWAY from TEKNICS!

[YellowDesmo998]

I have a 2pc Dainese suit for sale here:

http://www.racemotorcycles.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?board=ccsclass;action=display;num=1100116074

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

For race use: One piece, one piece, one piece.
Feel free to email me if you have any questions or concerns regarding sizing or brands. STAY AWAY from TEKNICS!

Alexa of Spyder Leatherworks is the only person here who's opinion really counts.  She repairs racing suits for a living, so she's seen the good, the bad, and the ugly.  Get with her by e mail, and get set straight.  Once you have a suit, she can put your name on there cool as hell! ;)

[dylanfan53]

Re: Oxtars.  I have not been a happy with mine at all.

I bought a new pair of Tis last Spring.  Yes, you can just take the plate off the sparking toe slider as required by CCS as long as you replace the screws with a little washer so they don't pull through.

They already have serious holes in them after one easy season.  Part way through the summer I was talking to Jesse Janisch and we laughed that if we wore the same size we could get one good pair out of the both of ours because his had a hole in the other one, so I know he had a similar experience.  By the end of the summer both of mine were pooched.

The left wore a hole on the inside where it rubbed against the shifter of a certain disagreeable R6 that I sold.  The right one got a hole in the very tip just from walking.  IMO, the soles are either too thin or the uppers need more protection from rubbing on the wear spots.  

My old Sidis lasted about three years or so and I'll go back to that brand if I have any money left after Christmas.  I think the protection from their high quality models is at least as good.  Unfortunately, they are more expensive.

Just my $.02.

[james-redsv]

Re: Oxtars.  I have not been a happy with mine at all.

I bought a new pair of Tis last Spring.  Yes, you can just take the plate off the sparking toe slider as required by CCS as long as you replace the screws with a little washer so they don't pull through.

They already have serious holes in them after one easy season.  Part way through the summer I was talking to Jesse Janisch and we laughed that if we wore the same size we could get one good pair out of the both of ours because his had a hole in the other one, so I know he had a similar experience.  By the end of the summer both of mine were pooched.

The left wore a hole on the inside where it rubbed against the shifter of a certain disagreeable R6 that I sold.  The right one got a hole in the very tip just from walking.  IMO, the soles are either too thin or the uppers need more protection from rubbing on the wear spots.  

My old Sidis lasted about three years or so and I'll go back to that brand if I have any money left after Christmas.  I think the protection from their high quality models is at least as good.  Unfortunately, they are more expensive.

Just my $.02.

Yea my Oxtars got a hole in them from rubbing on the frame too. Like yours they are only one season old and Im not very happy with them. As far as the Ti toe sliders, there is nothing in the rule book saying you cant have them. 8) I passed tech with them all year, but If you drag your toes alot, I have big long feet, and someone behind you complains you will get yelled at and have to put some duct tape on them. It happen to me once at VIR. If you run these boots without the Ti plates all your going to do is burn a hole through them even quicker, I wouldnt recomend running without the Ti, just put duct tape on the Ti. It keeps the sparks down to almost nothing. My next boots are going to Alpinestars SMX plus or Sidi. ;D

[cornercamping]

Hmmm... never had a problem with mine wearing down,  but then again, I haven't been to the track much this year.  I've kinda grown fond the of the Oxtars, and also Held gloves.  I won't get rid of the Held's.  Best gloves known to man IMHO.

[rotoboge]

I agree that the one-piece provides better protection, but sometimes the budget does not allow the best. My son started out with a Dainese two-piece and went down twice his second outing (one time a very fast lowside). He came out of it unscathed. However, I believe your riding ability factors in as well. A two-piece may work OK to start with, but as soon as you progress to faster levels or classes, a one-piece is the only way to go. Best of Luck!